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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

@Christopher: It's doubtful that I can find clips of the scene in question, but Cat definitely pronounced Kara's as "Kair-uh" when she talked about "being the best Kara Danvers you can be". I had the TV up fairly loud and was sitting not 10 feet away from it, and clearly heard the inflection that Calista used.
 
1) What happened to Lucy Lane. She wasn't mentioned at all in this episode and I thought she and Jonn were partners running the DEO

Oh, good point. I can't believe I overlooked that. Actually, it looked to me like Lucy was just the interim DEO director, and when J'onn was pardoned, it was unclear what Lucy's role would be thereafter.


2) Was it me or did Cat's office look brighter. You can tell they changed filming locations and it looked beautiful actually. The show may be on the CW, but in terms of budget, I didn't notice a decrease in budget.

It looked about the same, but I noticed that the displays on the video monitors behind Cat's desk looked different, less animated and less dominated by news anchor footage.

While bingeing season 1, I got to thinking about all those monitors and all the fake news footage they're constantly showing, and I wondered about the people whose job it was to make all that, to shoot the anchor footage and create fake news clips and write the onscreen text captions and crawls, and to include both generic footage and episode-specific headlines. There was one late episode where I noticed one screen was on a loop in one scene -- it cut from one news story to a second one, and then later in the scene it cut back to the first news story. I guess they didn't have enough footage on that loop to span the whole scene's duration, or it came together wrong in editing (the scene, not the screen footage).


Loved seeing Superman and Supergirl side by side, and the guy who plays Superman is really good for the role. This is the superman I know, not the broading guy from Batman vs. Superman.

I actually think Henry Cavill is very well-cast as Superman; the problems with his character are in the writing and directing, not the performance. Whereas with Hoechlin's Superman, I think the writing is spot-on but the performance is a little bland.


Incidentally, the comments about the Midwest and Kansas seemed to confirm that the show's version of that city is located in that state/region of the country (just as it was on Smallville) as opposed to on the East Coast the way that it sometimes/typically has been.

I took those to be references to where he's from, not where he currently lives and works.


@Christopher: It's doubtful that I can find clips of the scene in question, but Cat definitely pronounced Kara's as "Kair-uh" when she talked about "being the best Kara Danvers you can be". I had the TV up fairly loud and was sitting not 10 feet away from it, and clearly heard the inflection that Calista used.

And I was 6 feet from my TV speakers and I'm just as positive as you are that it was "Kah-ra." Human perception and memory are imperfect instruments. Either one of us could be wrong, so just restating what we think we heard is pointless.
 
^ Good point.

We know from casting sides for the Supergirl Pilot that Metropolis is "halfway across the country" from National City, which we know is in California, so that, coupled with the references we got tonight, make a pretty convincing case that, just like it was on Smallville, Metropolis is in Kansas in this universe.

Also, as an aside, the way they spelled Eve Teschmacher's name in this episode is a subtle reference to Tess Mercer from Smallville and a blatant reference to the professional wrestler and former Total Nonstop Action Wrestling female competitor (Knockout) Brooke Tessmacher.
 
This is just the kind of stuff I love to see in Superman/girl stories and superhero stories in general: Not big battles, but big rescues.
I agree. I'm sick of fx/disaster extravaganzas. It's about time someone used action in service of a meaningful story.

And it's so refreshing to see an upbeat, well-adjusted Superman onscreen again. The character was well-handled, although I'm not entirely satisfied with Hoechlin's performance.
I liked his kind caring Clark/Superman as well. He captures the spirit well enough but something lacks. I'd say he's 85% Clark/Superman, which is still pretty great. I'll say that I like Hecklin' Tyler as Superman.

As for the change in location, it's noticeable; Catco and Kara's apartment have been recreated authentically on the Vancouver soundstage, but the DEO arbitrarily has a new HQ, and the skyline in the helicopter scene looked kind of Vancouvery, though they're still using stock LA establishing shots from last season.
I was wondering what they were going to do about the DEO headquarters whith the move to Vancouver and I like what we got. Very big and lavish. Hard to believe they're cutting costs.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to next week. I hope we get to see that conversation about Krypton and what Kal-El's parents were like.
I'm surprised that they haven't had this talk before. I'm also surprised that Clark hasn't been to Krypton or some recreation of it during his decade-long adventure. Or has he? Any room in what he said for that?

Calista Flockhart was on fire in this episode as Cat, proving yet again why she's going to be missed when she's not around.
I got the sense that Cat was starting to feel dissatisfied with her status quo and that her own advice to Kara inspired her to make a change, which will probably explain why she's around less going forward. I thought we'd just be seeing less of her because Kara was off in her own office now.
I can't wait to find out about those calls. I've always wanted her to become the U.S. Vice President somehow. I wonder if that or something like it will come to pass. Like she said, she's reached the top of her game. Where else can she go?

Winn officially joining the DEO was a bit rushed and kind of felt like there was a scene or two missing that would've set it up better, but it does suit him a bit better than being the IT guy for CatCo, so I'm willing to forgive the disjointedness/abruptness and just roll with it.
It's about time but yeah, it was rushed and I thought I missed something too.

Meanwhile, Flockhart is doing a pretty dead-on Gene Hackman impression when yelling "Miss Tessmacher!"
Eh... I dunno. She didn't quite hit that note the way Hackman did.

I wonder what will become of Tessmacher. Will she end up with Luthor?

I mean, they just spent a season establishing Supergirl as a distinct character in her own right and not just a Superman clone, and now they're giving Kara the same job as Clark?
I wonder why she doesn't join the DEO full time. She gave an explanation last season but it seemed rather flimsy. It came off like a way to keep that character at CatCo rather than something Kara actually felt.

You know, if the show stays this good, it might make it harder to like the other shows in comparison, unless they up their game. Honestly, it occurs to me that Supergirl is the most competent superhero on the network right now. The Flash just broke history with his selfishness, the Green Arrow has regressed to a dark phase and lost his team, and the Legends are pretty much defined by being screwups. Hopefully Kara will knock some sense into the lot of them when she visits Earth-1 for the big crossover.
And thankfully Supergirl won't be merging with Earth-1.

What happened to Lucy Lane. She wasn't mentioned at all in this episode and I thought she and Jonn were partners running the DEO
Forgot about her. I hope we see her again. I also can't wait to see Lois.

Was it me or did Cat's office look brighter. You can tell they changed filming locations and it looked beautiful actually. The show may be on the CW, but in terms of budget, I didn't notice a decrease in budget.
I didn't notice the brightness in Cat's office but I was very impressed with how well it was recreated. I did notice however that Vancouver seemed less bright but everything still looks about the same as it did last season.

Does this mean Superman will be around National City for awhile?
I don't know why he needs to "stick around". He can just pop over if a jiffy.
 
I'm surprised that they haven't had this talk before. I'm also surprised that Clark hasn't been to Krypton or some recreation of it during his decade-long adventure. Or has he? Any room in what he said for that?

I got the feeling that this is a conversation they'd had before, but that he wanted her to tell him the stories AGAIN.

I can't wait to find out about those calls. I've always wanted her to become the U.S. Vice President somehow. I wonder if that or something like it will come to pass. Like she said, she's reached the top of her game. Where else can she go?

I'm pretty sure that line was meant to set up something that's going to happen in "The Last Children of Krypton" next week.

Namely the introduction of Snapper Carr.

I wonder what will become of Tessmacher. Will she end up with Luthor?

I didn't get the feeling that Cat was letting Eve go even though she complained about her, so I'm not sure why she'd go anywhere.
 
So is this the first Superman that could get beaten up by Jimmy Olsen? :D

That was also the worst-designed skyscraper of all time if it only takes one broken column in the parking lot to bring it down.
 
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Very fun episode, if a bit rushed. I thought the new Superman fit in very well, and absolutely loved the sense of awe he inspired in everybody in that first DEO scene. And even if he doesn't quite have the physical presence of a Reeve or Cavill (or at least wasn't filmed in that larger than life kind of way), Tyler's charm and likability seemed to make up for it pretty well.

And I'm definitely liking this cooler and more high-tech looking DEO headquarters. I wasn't really a fan of the DEO stuff last season, but now I'm thinking that was just because the set looked like something out of a bad 90s syndicated scifi series. :p This new version feels much more consistent with the style and tone of the rest of the show.

You know, if the show stays this good, it might make it harder to like the other shows in comparison, unless they up their game. Honestly, it occurs to me that Supergirl is the most competent superhero on the network right now. The Flash just broke history with his selfishness, the Green Arrow has regressed to a dark phase and lost his team, and the Legends are pretty much defined by being screwups. Hopefully Kara will knock some sense into the lot of them when she visits Earth-1 for the big crossover.

Ha yeah, I think you might be right about that. It seems like we often spend more time watching Barry, Oliver and the rest make stupid and selfish decisions or fight amongst themselves than anything else. Kara certainly has her personal issues as well, but she (and the show) still seem much better at putting that aside when needed so we can watch her be a heroic and inspiring superhero multiple times an episode. And I also like that we see plenty of Kara saving regular people on this show, instead of only fighting supervillains all the time or endlessly chasing after the latest speedster or whatever.
 
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I think that was quite a good start to the second season. I'm still not 100% convinced about the show. The pod chasing sequence still fell back into that reallydumb style of action that dragged the first season down, and they are still lacking in common sense at times (how does 1 man simultaneously fly a dozen drones?). I'm also disappointed about the treatment of the Kara/James relationship, since that seems to signal that they're actually not interested in moving her romantic life forward, which I suspect means that we'll still be wallowing in the same irritating soap opera romance from last season all over again.

But the characters did really shine here - Alex actually feels like a competent and badass agent for the first time in the show. Cat was at the top of her game. Jonn is much more interesting being the guy in charge rather than the guy on the run. Kara's story was possibly one of the best she's had so far in terms of personal growth. And the new Clark, while kind of underwhelming, did bounce off all the other characters quite well. Lena Luthor also seems like an extremely interesting new character. First impressions are she may become the best side character on the show.

The humor was also much, much, much better than anything last season. Probably better than any other show period. I laughed a lot this episode (That's it! We're going back to Gotham! :guffaw:). If they can keep up that quality of entertainment, I'll forgive them all the dumb action shots they want.

I do have to say, just as a minor detail: the design of that space shuttle was really distracting. How the hell is it ever supposed to land with that ring? (Something they conveniently left out of the shot when it was lowered to the ground).

Meanwhile, Flockhart is doing a pretty dead-on Gene Hackman impression when yelling "Miss Tessmacher!" (Even though they've changed the spelling from Teschmacher, perhaps as a nod to Smallville's Tess Mercer, who was in turn a nod to Miss Teschmacher and Mercy Graves.) It's a cute homage, but it's odd to hear Cat addressing her assistant by her last name. Did Kara have to work her way up from "Miss Danvers" to "Kira?" And how do you mispronounce "Eve?"

That's easy. 'Eh-v', 'Eevee', 'Eevaa', 'Vee'. 'Eh-vaa'...

I'm not sure I like it that that's her choice. I mean, they just spent a season establishing Supergirl as a distinct character in her own right and not just a Superman clone, and now they're giving Kara the same job as Clark?

True. But it is probably the best job for a superhero to have in that industry. Finding excuses to be out of the office all the time gets old (and already got old last season).

Yeah, that made sense. Especially since it's just been a day since I read that Superman/Batman comics storyline where the two of them tried to rid the Earth of all kryptonite and Superman got really gung-ho about it. (Actually re-read it, without meaning to -- I got a trade paperback from the library without realizing that was the back half of it, and I was partway through it before I remembered that I'd read it once before.)

I can sort of agree that someone super-idealistic could see it that way, but the fact of the matter is Clark's objections are laughable. I can just imagine someone training to protect innocent people from terrorists and then suddenly saying, wait a second, I can't work for you while you have guns on the premises. Those could kill me! Well, yeah, heroes put themselves in danger. But somehow kryptonians are too 'important' to ever be at any risk, even though the govt. has a very clear and unimpeachable reason for needing that stuff? What if Supergirl hadn't been around when Non mind controlled Superman? What were regular humans supposed to use to stop him if not Kryptonite?

I got the sense that Cat was starting to feel dissatisfied with her status quo and that her own advice to Kara inspired her to make a change, which will probably explain why she's around less going forward. I thought we'd just be seeing less of her because Kara was off in her own office now.

I can't wait to find out about those calls. I've always wanted her to become the U.S. Vice President somehow. I wonder if that or something like it will come to pass. Like she said, she's reached the top of her game. Where else can she go?

Maybe I'm letting the fan theories get the best of me, but after this episode and knowing the actress is going to be around less I think it's pretty much guaranteed that's she's going into politics. Especially after that big speech about needing to do something good and make the world a better place (and also, to always keep diving).

That was also the worst-designed skyscraper of all time if it only takes one broken column in the parking lot to bring it down.

And yet Lena Luthor is still in her office just a day or two later...
 
J'onn and Clark being awkward and tense around each other adds an interesting layer to both characters, and it feels organic and believable to me that the DEO's use of Kryptonite would be a 'bridge too far' for Clark.

The explanation they gave in Season 1 seemed more reasonable to me, when J'onn said Superman didn't wanna work with the government because of Cadmus and the bad stuff they were up to there.
Considering he knew there were other Kryptonians with bad intentions on Earth, and that the DEO(and Kryptonite) was under the care of Martian Manhunter it just seems illogical he'd back off just because of that. If anything his concerns that authorities would abuse Kryptonite should make him wanna be more involved to oversee things and make sure they don't get out of hand.

Winn officially joining the DEO was a bit rushed and kind of felt like there was a scene or two missing that would've set it up better

He did spend the latter part of Season 1 hanging out there pretty much all the time(helping out with Myriad and Indigo, bringing Siobhan and Barry there), so it didn't really feel rushed to me.
 
It was good to see Superman, though this guy's not up to Cavill's standard in any respect. TV versus movies...

Miss Tessmacher was a fun joke.

Disappointed that they got shy about the Kara/James thing. One wouldn't expect it to be a concern on the CW.
 
I absolutely loved the season premiere. In a lot of ways, it felt like a second pilot episode as the episode kinda reboots Supergirl. It changes a few things like Kara becoming a reporter, the DEO getting a new HQ, and lays the foundation for the new direction of the show. We finally see Superman and he is great. The rescue scenes were fantastic. Supergirl and Superman make a great duo. The episode was a ton of fun.

I also loved the world building. We get tidbits about Lex and how Superman fought him and won. We learn about Lex's sister. We get some tidbits about how Clark and Lois are a happy couple. I really appreciated all this because it gives us more background about the world that Supergirl inhabits. Her universe feels more complete now since we know more about it.

I hope that Luthor's sister really is good. I know a lot of people are expecting the common trope that Luthor's sister is secretly evil because she wants revenge for what Superman did to Lex. I definitely hope the writers can subvert that cliche by keeping her as a "good guy".
 
Good opening episode but two things bugged me...

Can we not have stupid reasons out of the blue to keep two love interests away from each other. How about we just let them get together or just drop it all together, I don't want to see a full season devoted to will they or won't they. Also it looked like one poxy beam in the car park was going to bring down an entire building? or is that more down to small budget only being able to show one poxy beam in a car park.
 
I was wondering what they were going to do about the DEO headquarters whith the move to Vancouver and I like what we got. Very big and lavish. Hard to believe they're cutting costs.

I gather the reduction in overall budget is more than offset by the reduction in filming costs because of the move to Vancouver and the change in licensing fees and stuff now that they're on a Warner Bros.-owned network. So that actually gives them a bit more money to spend on what actually goes onscreen, like sets, effects, stunts, etc.


I'm surprised that they haven't had this talk before. I'm also surprised that Clark hasn't been to Krypton or some recreation of it during his decade-long adventure. Or has he? Any room in what he said for that?

He said, paraphrasing from memory, "I know all there is to know about Krypton from the Fortress and the archives, but I like the way you tell it. You make it come alive." It's not about the facts and images, it's about the emotional context she can provide as someone who actually lived on Krypton.


I wonder why she doesn't join the DEO full time. She gave an explanation last season but it seemed rather flimsy. It came off like a way to keep that character at CatCo rather than something Kara actually felt.

The show's been pretty consistent about the fact that she values her life at CatCo because it keeps her grounded. Her friends are there, her mentor is there, and she was Kara before she was Supergirl so that everyday life is still an important part of her identity and her sense of normality.

Although if Cat's moving on to something else and Winn is now at the DEO full-time, that kind of cuts into that commitment to CatCo. I guess her new career ambition could take their place.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised we didn't see Kara's new office in this episode. I'd expected that it would've replaced the old unused office as the site for private Supergirl-related conversations between her, James, and Winn. And it's not a very large set, so you'd think they could've afforded to rebuild it pretty easily.


(how does 1 man simultaneously fly a dozen drones?).

As I understand it, modern military drones can operate autonomously, needing human intervention only for key decisions like whether or not to fire (since there are grave ethical concerns about taking that decision out of human hands). Although since these drones were in a villain's control, they could've been programmed to make firing decisions on their own.


I'm also disappointed about the treatment of the Kara/James relationship, since that seems to signal that they're actually not interested in moving her romantic life forward, which I suspect means that we'll still be wallowing in the same irritating soap opera romance from last season all over again.

My guess is that the guy from the space pod will be Kara's new romantic interest for a while.


(That's it! We're going back to Gotham! :guffaw:).

That seems to confirm what city Supergirl was talking about when she told the Master Jailer, "I thought masks were only big in that other city." Hmm, yet we know Wayne Enterprises exists on Earth-1. Could there be a Batman in both universes? Or wouldn't it be interesting if Earth-SG Bruce Wayne were Batman but Earth-1's Bruce never lost his parents?


I do have to say, just as a minor detail: the design of that space shuttle was really distracting. How the hell is it ever supposed to land with that ring? (Something they conveniently left out of the shot when it was lowered to the ground).

I would assume it had extendable landing gear.


That's easy. 'Eh-v', 'Eevee', 'Eevaa', 'Vee'. 'Eh-vaa'...

Well, the only one of those that's an actual name is "Eva," however you pronounce it. So Cat could go for that.


True. But it is probably the best job for a superhero to have in that industry. Finding excuses to be out of the office all the time gets old (and already got old last season).

That's the original reason Clark Kent became a reporter -- because a great metropolitan newspaper was the best place to find out about crimes or crises in progress (or at least it was in the 1930s-50s). Still, I don't want Kara's journey here to be too similar to Clark's.


I can sort of agree that someone super-idealistic could see it that way, but the fact of the matter is Clark's objections are laughable. I can just imagine someone training to protect innocent people from terrorists and then suddenly saying, wait a second, I can't work for you while you have guns on the premises. Those could kill me!

I think a better analogy would be to having chemical or biological weapons on the premises. Or radiological weapons, which is what kryptonite actually is. Would you want to work for an organization that was willing to poison people with plutonium?

Although there was a good scene in that Superman/Batman comic I mentioned, where Superman asked Batman to imagine what it would feel like if there was a substance out there that could just kill him at any moment without warning, and Batman said "I don't have to imagine. It's called lead."


And yet Lena Luthor is still in her office just a day or two later...

I'd assume that the Supercousins did some superfast building repairs between scenes.


We get some tidbits about how Clark and Lois are a happy couple.

I'm actually surprised they aren't already married. I mean, we're more than a dozen years into their relationship.

Although their conversation kind of answered a question I had. Clark and Kara's amusement at Lois telling Clark to be careful -- not in a "ha-ha, she's so clueless" way but in an "Aww, that's sweet" way -- seems to confirm that she does know Clark is Superman, but still worries about him anyway. Also, Clark's "I'm with Kara" suggests that Lois knows about their connection, whereas they don't seem to be telling the general public that Clark and Kara are cousins (presumably since everyone already knows Superman and Supergirl are cousins).


I hope that Luthor's sister really is good. I know a lot of people are expecting the common trope that Luthor's sister is secretly evil because she wants revenge for what Superman did to Lex. I definitely hope the writers can subvert that cliche by keeping her as a "good guy".

From a writing and character standpoint, I agree. But on the other hand, Katie McGrath is pretty sexy as a bad girl, as we've seen in Merlin and Dracula.
 
Lena has never been an antagonist in the comics, so it baffles me that people are automatically assuming the worst about this version of the character.
 
Lena has never been an antagonist in the comics, so it baffles me that people are automatically assuming the worst about this version of the character.

I guess it's because Lena is a pretty obscure character that people who only know the Superman mythos from the screen would be unfamiliar with. So they'd only have the Luthor name to go by, and would jump to the same conclusions that Superman did here. And Smallville's Tess Mercer, a morally ambiguous and often antagonistic figure, was eventually retconned into "Lutessa Lena Luthor," so people are probably expecting this Lena to be like her.

And, again, Katie McGrath is known for her villain roles in prior shows, so the casting could be a factor as well.
 
A new extended promo for Supergirl Ep. 2x02 "The Last Children of Krypton" has been released, featuring the…
…kryptonite-powered villain Metallo.

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