I might give this one a try then.
Are we talking about a new or an old series?
And please reassure me that it does have an ending. Shows like Flash Forward drive me nuts ...
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Are we talking about a new or an old series?
And please reassure me that it does have an ending. Shows like Flash Forward drive me nuts ...
Understood & Confirmed!
It aired in 2011 and lasted one season.
As they were finishing up the first season, they knew there was a good chance it would be cancelled (because it was a complete budget buster with on-location shooting in Australia, CGI every week and at least one big name actor I know of) but also a good chance it would be renewed (because it was the most watched new show of the season). So they tried to create a finale that would neither leave a major cliffhanger unresolved nor preclude the possibility of new stories in future seasons. It ended with the major conflict of season 1 resolved, but with new mysteries and challenges on the horizon. I was satisfied. If you like the show and end up watching to the finale, I think you will be too.
Ive been re-watching voyager and i think she did a find job as kes her character wasnt given too much to work with hopefully, she gets her life back together and who knows maybe even make it back to the convention circuit.
Oh ... so this sounds too familiar ... This was exactly what they did with Flash Forward, too ...
[shrugs]
Every show has to end some way. I'm disappointed when a show ends with something left to explore (the recent cancellation of Marvel's Agent Carter comes to mind), but sometimes I'm more disappointed when the writers know a show is ending and write a finale (Enterprise's "These are the Voyages" comes to mind).
But then, I'm the odd guy out who loved "Endgame" not despite but because there was not a single reunion scene on Earth. I don't like it when shows are wrapped up so tightly that I can't imagine how the characters go on. And a rushed resolution of that sort, like "These are the Voyages," is the worst.
Every show has to end some way. I'm disappointed when a show ends with something left to explore (the recent cancellation of Marvel's Agent Carter comes to mind), but sometimes I'm more disappointed when the writers know a show is ending and write a finale (Enterprise's "These are the Voyages" comes to mind).
But then, I'm the odd guy out who loved "Endgame" not despite but because there was not a single reunion scene on Earth. I don't like it when shows are wrapped up so tightly that I can't imagine how the characters go on. And a rushed resolution of that sort, like "These are the Voyages," is the worst.
True and I think we are in agreement here.
For me, shows that have an unsatisfactory ending like Voyager's are acceptable - even excellent in Voyager's case. Those that were supposed to have been continued but on a sudden whim they decided to cancel them (for money reasons for example) are not. They always leave you with a feeling that this has to be continued in the next episode and it is extremely frustrating to know that it isn't.
However, having said that, I don't usually like to start watching a new show (even with a complete ending) when I know it only goes on for one or two seasons. For me shows work best when I get to like the characters and then I wish to spend a long time with them together.
Yes I hope she does. I do have a poster that needs her autograph
For me, Voyager's ending is completely satisfactory. But if the ending to a show is unsatisfactory, as I found Enterprise's "These are the Voyages" to be, I'd prefer the show just stop. To me, even stopping mid-story is better than that. And then there are the ambivalent, if not truly unsatisfactory finales. In a way, I love the finale of Boston Legal, because it's well written and has some great scenes for the characters (like nearly every episode of that show), but a part of me dislikes that finale because it so completely closes the door on those characters' lives as viewers of the show came to know them.
Sadly, shows like that are becoming rarer and rarer. But I do think if the writers do good work, the characters can become engaging quickly. Steven Moffat's Sherlock doesn't have cancellation issues, but the episodes come out at a snail's pace, so I feel like I haven't even gotten a full season by American standards. But in just a handful of episodes, I already care about the characters.
I'll forever insist that Voyager had a cast with great chemistry and charisma, and that it was squandered on some pretty boring and formulaic scripts. I don't know if they were as strong in their craft as the TNG crew or had the variety of experience of the DS9 crew, but the Voyager crew could more than hold their own in comparison, and maybe gel together more naturally as an ensemble than their predecessors.
It's interesting to me how many people judge stories--and especially finales or movies because they are often self-contained--that dislike a story almost exclusively because a character(s) dies or every single minuscule item of minutiae wasn't tied up the end. I much prefer that a few things are left unresolved. That's how life is basically.
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Maybe because many of us get more than enough of how it is in real life and want something better for whatever character we are watching and liking.
There is something to say for that. There are times when I'm feeling down that I watch shows I like as an escape so it's nice to see something better than what I'm going through at the time.
I get the desire to escape reality, and personally, I don't prefer dark shows that hurt the characters too much (though the reasoning behind my preference is not purely escapist).
That said, if there's no drama, if nothing bad ever happens to challenge the characters, it's not just unrealistic, it's uneventful, and thus not really storytelling at all.
Moreover, I think there's a world of difference between hurting or killing characters in a finale and leaving some things unresolved for them. Just because I don't want to see my characters unduly hurt, it doesn't follow that I need to see them hugging and reminiscing and planning how they'll live happily ever after for the last twenty minutes of a series. It's formulaic and it's bad drama.
That said, if there's no drama, if nothing bad ever happens to challenge the characters, it's not just unrealistic, it's uneventful, and thus not really storytelling at all.
Moreover, I think there's a world of difference between hurting or killing characters in a finale and leaving some things unresolved for them. Just because I don't want to see my characters unduly hurt, it doesn't follow that I need to see them hugging and reminiscing and planning how they'll live happily ever after for the last twenty minutes of a series. It's formulaic and it's bad drama.
I agree 100%
The character was a 2 year old ham, or 200 year old megalomaniac, so the part called for a horrible actress.
I remember at the time describing the episode to a friend: "And she's evil and hot, in skin tight leather, and killing people with her mind!"
I remember at the time describing the episode to a friend: "And she's evil and hot, in skin tight leather, and killing people with her mind!"
But I must state that Jennifer's contribution in "Warlord" was not worthless at all. Instead she did prove that she could play an action character as well as she could play a more laid back character. I think that she did a great job in "Warlord" which was definitely one of her high points doing her all too short time on Voyager.
well...she was indeed wearing skin tight leather
What bothers me the most about "Warlord" is the way the writers used it to nonsensically end Kes and Neelix' relationship.
Whatever one's opinion of that relationship (personally, I think Neelix' character, not Kes' character, was held back by it), it was too major a part of the show's premise from the beginning to just ignore after ending in a way that made no sense. Kes told Neelix she wanted to spend some time apart when the warlord was controlling her and making her spend all her time with his allies. Yet after the warlord vacates her, in subsequent episodes, the characters act as if they're not only spending some time apart but completely finished with each other; with nothing said between them or by anyone else in the crew.
Whatever one's opinion of that relationship (personally, I think Neelix' character, not Kes' character, was held back by it), it was too major a part of the show's premise from the beginning to just ignore after ending in a way that made no sense. Kes told Neelix she wanted to spend some time apart when the warlord was controlling her and making her spend all her time with his allies. Yet after the warlord vacates her, in subsequent episodes, the characters act as if they're not only spending some time apart but completely finished with each other; with nothing said between them or by anyone else in the crew.
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