No I don't think I ever will. It's just not something that has any appeal to me. I was just curious about this. I mean since it's an horror movie, there's no guaranty that things will resolve themselves, contrary to other genres.
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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No I don't think I ever will. It's just not something that has any appeal to me. I was just curious about this. I mean since it's an horror movie, there's no guaranty that things will resolve themselves, contrary to other genres.
After a thousand years, are the Borg a threat or are they a natural phenomenon?
Simple tech can make you invisible to the Borg, and then they become your cows.
There has to be several cultures living parasitically off the Borg, that would be doomed if someone destroyed the Borg.
Simple tech can make you invisible to the Borg, and then they become your cows.
There has to be several cultures living parasitically off the Borg, that would be doomed if someone destroyed the Borg.
I guess we could repurpose a borg and make it an ideal servant. Kinda like John Connors Repurposed the Terminator to become his younger selves bodyguard.
Magnus Hansen fed off the Borg for a year, before he cocked it up.
Also the Borg harvest cities not mineral deposits.
Younger races are going to find all these planets that should be occupied, but are not. Empty planets to colonize with mass transit systems and an M-Class atmosphere.
Also, these younger races are less likely to be invaded by assholes like the klingons, because as soon as any species gets to a point where they might take over half the quadrant, they also have something that the Borg want.
The nigh certain assimilation of species with 24th century Federation level tech, lets the up and coming kids, with Archer level, 22nd century level Federation technology technology run around kinda care free without being picked on by bullies with faster ships and bigger guns.
Also the Borg harvest cities not mineral deposits.
Younger races are going to find all these planets that should be occupied, but are not. Empty planets to colonize with mass transit systems and an M-Class atmosphere.
Also, these younger races are less likely to be invaded by assholes like the klingons, because as soon as any species gets to a point where they might take over half the quadrant, they also have something that the Borg want.
The nigh certain assimilation of species with 24th century Federation level tech, lets the up and coming kids, with Archer level, 22nd century level Federation technology technology run around kinda care free without being picked on by bullies with faster ships and bigger guns.
You know it's kinda funny because the Klingons take over an important part of the alpha quadrant and yet a single moon of theirs explodes and they are threatened with extinction.
You don't find that weird?
I personally love what STC did with the nanoprobes in Divided .... no blatant Borg connections were made, and I know it would conflict with the given history of the Borg, but it gives a lot to think about, either way. With time travel in play, it could still be part of an origin story, anyways. The computer virus part made me the think of it. (Yes, I know its not canon.)
I like the thought that there may be some type of root cause or source for all of the various sentient machinery we see in the Trek Universe.... V'ger's machine planet, the Borg, the STC nanoprobes...... a completely different and yet common source for it all.
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Guy, that is such a unique and fun perspective on the Borg.... they aren't backtracking to the planets they have already looted and moved on from, so unless they happened to leave behind a unit of Borg to secure the planet, the chances of another civilzation coming along and, for lack of a better term, squatting and living off the ruins, is pretty ingenius. It reminds me of the alternate-history-science stories, of the Egyptians and Mayans just building in the same places as a much older civilzation, claiming its history as their own, and building on top of ancient architecture.
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You know, it really seems like the two borg in ENT's Regeneration could have started a collective of their own if left to their own devices. So maybe the collective started with two or maybe even one single borg thrown back in time, in a chicken and the egg paradox.
30 Klingon colony world demand that it is they who are rightful new seat to the high Council, and since they are offering to take in the government, maybe then they should also be half the government too. Or 30 worlds declare that alone are the true successors, which means that it is time for each of these true inheritors to gather up as much of the klingon war machine as possible, which sounds like 50 years of civil war, destroying most of their natural resources in the process, and their conflict spilling over into the rest of the AQ unless Q'noS is propped up, and their centralized leadership does not vanish.
But without immediate foreign aid, 20 billion will die on the homeworld because no power, water or food, is getting to all the people on Q'noS that with out modern technology can only probably support a few hundred million people.
Without a clear line of succession, it's the civil war that pulls the empire apart. Sure there are biologically klingons, the trash of the galaxy, but where the centralized government, the political identity of the Klingon Empire... Compare the USSR to Russia and the 14 other rinky dink little countries that wanted to be an off shoot playing their own game, emerging from the deconstruction of the Soviet State.
The Klingons have always been an allegory for Russia.
But without immediate foreign aid, 20 billion will die on the homeworld because no power, water or food, is getting to all the people on Q'noS that with out modern technology can only probably support a few hundred million people.
Without a clear line of succession, it's the civil war that pulls the empire apart. Sure there are biologically klingons, the trash of the galaxy, but where the centralized government, the political identity of the Klingon Empire... Compare the USSR to Russia and the 14 other rinky dink little countries that wanted to be an off shoot playing their own game, emerging from the deconstruction of the Soviet State.
The Klingons have always been an allegory for Russia.
It's funny because I would have thought that the Klingon mythos is close to Norse Mythology. Russians, at the time of the first appearance of the Klingons were atheists.
Well spoiler warning for anyone else..
Durring one attempt to "infiltrate" the walkers several people are killed
UM? Didn't the Klingons KILL their gods way back?
Surviving the Cold War was what America vs. Russia was all about in the 1960s. Sticking Chekov on the bridge, or Ducky in the Man from Uncle, was kindly asking the Russians to please not nuke America, please, because eventually we'll all be friends, even if it doesn't exactly look like it now, which is why Worf was on the bridge in TNG, because glasnost had achieved American friendship with Russia, like the Klingons and the Federation were friends now in the 24th century.
http://www.stwww.com/papers/coldwar.html
Yeah, in Norse Mythology that's called Ragnarok, the end of the gods. Contrary to what happens in other mythologies. The Norse gods are mortal and they eventually die.
Google confirms that Ragnorok hasn't happened yet.
We die, the Earth dies, and the gods die together.
We die, the Earth dies, and the gods die together.
That stuff could easily apply to the Borg as well.
That means that my Thor autograph is not as valuable as I thought... Drat!
In Marvel Comics, life and death and rebirth are a wheel.
Ragnorok has happened before and it will happen again.
The gods are metaphysical archetypes (stories) more so than actual physical beings.
Ragnorok has happened before and it will happen again.
The gods are metaphysical archetypes (stories) more so than actual physical beings.
You can't kill an archetype.
So Jesus, I mean Aslan, didn't die?
Not necessarily, depending on when the collective consciousness and neural links were formed.
The preservation of their data would span to each member, allowing knowledge to be gathered and maintained without fear of loss of one world, ship or station diminishing their data.
Again, technological advancements move at different rates, speeds and effects depending on emphasis. It isn't automatic or a "level-up" like a video game.
The Borg can only acquire superior technology when it is being defended by inferior (military) technology.
A Borg Cube might be repelled by a powerful alien Star Ship, but they could also figure out the tech in that Star Ship and how to counter it's shields and weapons, by bullying a tiny shuttle underpinned by identical technology, and taking what they need from junior.
The Borg are also not that sneaky.
They believe that everyone wants to be Borg and that they are being helpful and generous by assimilating the galaxy.
A Borg Cube might be repelled by a powerful alien Star Ship, but they could also figure out the tech in that Star Ship and how to counter it's shields and weapons, by bullying a tiny shuttle underpinned by identical technology, and taking what they need from junior.
The Borg are also not that sneaky.
They believe that everyone wants to be Borg and that they are being helpful and generous by assimilating the galaxy.
