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Spoilers Gotham - Season 3

This was a pretty fun premiere.
I'm liking bounty hunter Gordon.
Vale seems like she'll be a nice addition.
So was the guy with the bat wings their version of Man Bat?
Crazy Evil Barbara is so much more fun than sane Barbara was.
I'm sad to see Mrs. Peabody go, I liked her.
I'm assuming the guy who was snotty during the Wayne Enterprises board meeting will end up being the Court of Owls mole.
I'm curious to see exactly what they have planned for Bruce's doppelganger.
Aragorn said:
Watched Gotham. Jamie Chung is pretty, but this show is still a mess.

And now little girl Ivy is going to turn into a full grown chesty woman who will dress provocatively and have the camera ogling her... while still having the mind of a 13 year old?
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Yeah, I'm not quite what to make of them suddenly aging Ivy up this way. All I can think of is that they suddenly decided they wanted play with the femme fatale aspects of the character, and they can't really do that with a young girl. One other thing that seems odd with that whole things is I've seen several references to some kind of relationship between her and Bruce, which is could get very creepy since they cast a new actress who appears to be quite a bit older than David Mazouz. Even if it's not a romantic thing, you'd still think that would have worked better when they were the same age.
 
Aragorn said:
Watched Gotham. Jamie Chung is pretty, but this show is still a mess.

And now little girl Ivy is going to turn into a full grown chesty woman who will dress provocatively and have the camera ogling her... while still having the mind of a 13 year old?
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Not that I expect Gotham to handle this with any grace but where does the difference come between a 13-year-old and a 19-year-old? Is it from the experiences of the intervening years that brings about the change in how they think or is it more driven by the physiological changes in between? Would a 13-year-old in a 19-year-old body still think as a 13-year-old?
 
JD said:
Yeah, I'm not quite what to make of them suddenly aging Ivy up this way. All I can think of is that they suddenly decided they wanted play with the femme fatale aspects of the character, and they can't really do that with a young girl.
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That's been confirmed by one of the producers, directly contradicting another producer's earlier claim that they wouldn't be sexualizing the character. So, yes, they've confirmed that they're going to be a seductress now and do things that they wouldn't have been "comfortable" showing a teenager doing -- even though, in-story, the character still is only 14 years old regardless of how she looks and acts, so it's still creepy as hell.
 
Christopher said:
That's been confirmed by one of the producers, directly contradicting another producer's earlier claim that they wouldn't be sexualizing the character. So, yes, they've confirmed that they're going to be a seductress now and do things that they wouldn't have been "comfortable" showing a teenager doing -- even though, in-story, the character still is only 14 years old regardless of how she looks and acts, so it's still creepy as hell.[/QUOTE
]I concur with you - very creepy in.deed. I hope that gets addressed at sexual assault in some way.

Now how old are the teenagers now (and from when Gotham started)? I know 6 months passed between, well, since Jim went to see Lee and the current season. I ask because David Masouz has gown quite a bit in the past year... at this rate, by next year, he'll look like full grown man. So I wonder what age is he supposed to be.

Also, at some point he'll have to develop his playboy persona... it would be creepy as well...but at some point he'll need to do it to cover his Batman identity.


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Oh and not related, but anyone thinking Robin/Nightwing when Bruce (Master b) was kidnapped? Not that it's the name of the character...but jst evoked that image.
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I think they should go full scale off the rails crazy and just stop trying to be a Batman prequel.

They just need to say screw it and start doing fullscale Batman stories NOW.

Just have Jim put on a black tactical suit to go play vigilante in, start training Bruce, while Lucius comes up with new gadgets. Bruce's money can still fund it and he can still come up with the psychological edge. They don't need to be *called* Batman and Robin, but they can take the ROLES of those characters, with Jim operating on the outside of the police dept but with a couple inside guys.
 
Phoenix219 said:
I think they should go full scale off the rails crazy and just stop trying to be a Batman prequel.

They just need to say screw it and start doing fullscale Batman stories NOW.
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Batman, nothing. I've been convinced for over a year that this is actually the secret origin of Owlman.
 
I like the idea of this Bruce Wayne bankrolling the idea of Batman, making this Gordon the Batman and this Bruce Wayne his Robin until he's old enough to take over.
 
Tom Hendricks said:
I like the idea of this Bruce Wayne bankrolling the idea of Batman, making this Gordon the Batman and this Bruce Wayne his Robin until he's old enough to take over.
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Me too. It would make sense of how hard he is on his Robins, too, if he learned and rose through the ranks in much the same way.

Christopher said:
Batman, nothing. I've been convinced for over a year that this is actually the secret origin of Owlman.
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I could see that.

Just like I know its not true, but my mind keeps telling me that the DCEU is really building towards an Injustice/DOFP style bad future. Then the characters at least make sense....
 
Christopher said:
I finally saw Batman v Superman last week, and I don't think anything can make its characters make sense.
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Did you at least see the Extended Cut? Its improved, but I still don't plan on watching it again. DCAU created their universe so beautifully - I'd rather just rewatch that. :P

At least if they were doing Injustice (because everyone likes dark and gritty, right?) we would at least get an awesome ending where the real hero's show up to set things right or something.
 
After looking forward to the premieres of this and The Strain, I found both to be a bit flat. I mean to think the Master was truly dead was insane, and the "reveal" that he was still alive was just not shocking or surprising or entertaining. And Gotham is looking too cluttered and crowded for its own good right now. Some odd direction and pacing too. Hope both series pick up.
 
Just finished Season 2, and watched the season premiere last night/this morning. I enjoyed it.

One thing I found last season a bit annoying is how they refereed to past events as if it happened a couple days earlier when it really was weeks or even months. I'd be fine with one time or even twice, but it occurred more than a few times, enough for a few on staff to notice.

I really don't mind how certain characters know each other or are popping up when it was established in earlier incarnations that they came into being during or just before Bruce started being Batman. I chuckled whenever I saw Bruce, Selina and Ivy together. I think Bruce Wayne knew Victor Fries before he became Mr. Freeze, as an adult in one of the earlier incarnations.

Remember, Clark Kent apparently met Lex as a kid, and Lois Lane when he still was in Smallville, on Smallville :lol:

As for Lucius Fox, I thought he was more of an IT/engineering person. I was a bit perplexed to see him as the new Forensic guy at GCPD.
 
Finn said:
Remember, Clark Kent apparently met Lex as a kid, and Lois Lane when he still was in Smallville, on Smallville :lol:
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Clark and Lex being friends in adolescence was part of the Superman mythos in the comics from 1960 until the post-Crisis reboot in '86. And there was a 1959 story about teen Lois Lane meeting Superboy at summer camp -- and beginning the romantic rivalry with Lana Lang that would continue into their adulthood. Not to mention various other stories about Superboy meeting people from his future, like teenage Bruce Wayne, teenage Oliver Queen, a time-travelling Robin, etc.

As for Lucius Fox, I thought he was more of an IT/engineering person. I was a bit perplexed to see him as the new Forensic guy at GCPD.
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Really? Oh, well -- he was originally a businessman in the comics. It was the Nolan movies that retconned him into Bruce's "Q."

Still, if the show previously established this version of Lucius as an IT/engineering guy, then making him a forensic scientist too is a pretty ludicrous career move.
 
Christopher said:
Clark and Lex being friends in adolescence was part of the Superman mythos in the comics from 1960 until the post-Crisis reboot in '86. And there was a 1959 story about teen Lois Lane meeting Superboy at summer camp -- and beginning the romantic rivalry with Lana Lang that would continue into their adulthood. Not to mention various other stories about Superboy meeting people from his future, like teenage Bruce Wayne, teenage Oliver Queen, a time-travelling Robin, etc.
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Really? Oh, well -- he was originally a businessman in the comics. It was the Nolan movies that retconned him into Bruce's "Q."

Still, if the show previously established this version of Lucius as an IT/engineering guy, then making him a forensic scientist too is a pretty ludicrous career move.
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Well, most people wouldn't make that as a career move, for sure.

But 1) It's probably not safe for I'm to e at Wayne Enterprises at this time
2) I would hope the job paid well, so that if he lived modestly (or got a stipend from Bruce for some kind of consulting) he should be fine
3) There was an opening at GCPD, and HR is not too picky about who they pick (and the pool of decent applicant was probably small to begin with)

If Lucius applied while Harvey was still in charge, then it makes "sense" he'd be picked. Lucius is smart enough to make the job work.

4) This puts him in a place to best help Bruce & Gotham, especially if his focus is on the Indian Hill escapees.

5) From outside that universe -- We also know that this is one of the most "realistic" ways to keep Lucius in the cast while giving him something useful to do.

I don't know if you'd been laid off or had to quit a job before...but sometimes people can switch to different fields. And it's not always to gain more money or respect
 
^Why? I'd think Fox would rather to serve under Barnes than Harvey?
 
Finn said:
^Why? I'd think Fox would rather to serve under Barnes than Harvey?
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But Barnes is too by-the-book and probably wouldn't hire such an outsider (who isn't "qualified")... Harvey could be a great boss to work for -- doesn't have to worry about accountability ;) And more important, Harvey would hire just about anyone, and unless Fox is grossly incompetent, or, y'know, kills someone illegally, won't get fired when Barnes got back.
 
To know everything Chris knows about Superman from reading old Superman comics, would require buying so many old comics that you would have to be rich like a drug dealer to get behind all that information.
 
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