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. Do you guys feel the same about Kirk in the films? I felt those were more of an ensemble with an older and mellower Kirk.
White Iris would have been a good turning point to mellow Kirk out for the movies - I would have liked to see him wrestling with the fact that his memories had been tampered with without knowledge or consent. It could have created some emotional issues with Spock, as well, leading into his new issues (shame) in ETW.
This is my BIG issue with "The White Iris"--the idea that Kirk needs to be "fixed" to be more sympathetic and accessible to contemporary viewpoints.
Nonsense.
Kirk was somewhat like my father of those years and even the way he still is to some extent (although age does tend to mellow one). Just because Kirk didn't openly show his remorse doesn't mean he didn't feel any. Men of that generation didn't parade their feelings like some expect them to do today. Their pain was their own.
The most vulnerable we saw Kirk in TOS was in "The Enemy Within" and that because we saw him spilt in two. We also saw him in anguish in "The City On The Edge Of Forever." Finally we saw his guilt expressed in "Obsession."
Those are when we saw his emotions most openly. We did see emotion at other times, but more subdued as seen on the surface.
Because thats who he is as a person and as a trained and experienced starship Captain who knows how to keep a clear head.
Not this touchy-feely emotional wreck paraded in "The White Iris."
Kirk is Kirk and any such story dealing with this should have been written with a better understanding of the character and more of a 1960's period perspective rather than writing him as Picard and the touchy-feely contemporary perspective.
For all his supposed idolization of the character I question whether Vic Mignogna really understands Kirk given he doesn't write him true to the character.
Nonsense.
Kirk was somewhat like my father of those years and even the way he still is to some extent (although age does tend to mellow one). Just because Kirk didn't openly show his remorse doesn't mean he didn't feel any. Men of that generation didn't parade their feelings like some expect them to do today. Their pain was their own.
The most vulnerable we saw Kirk in TOS was in "The Enemy Within" and that because we saw him spilt in two. We also saw him in anguish in "The City On The Edge Of Forever." Finally we saw his guilt expressed in "Obsession."
Those are when we saw his emotions most openly. We did see emotion at other times, but more subdued as seen on the surface.
Because thats who he is as a person and as a trained and experienced starship Captain who knows how to keep a clear head.
Not this touchy-feely emotional wreck paraded in "The White Iris."
Kirk is Kirk and any such story dealing with this should have been written with a better understanding of the character and more of a 1960's period perspective rather than writing him as Picard and the touchy-feely contemporary perspective.
For all his supposed idolization of the character I question whether Vic Mignogna really understands Kirk given he doesn't write him true to the character.
I have heard Vic speak in person about "The White Iris". It was not the "intention" to fix Kirk but rather to correct a misconception by some of Kirk being uncaring about the women he has encountered.
It is as I see it.
No, it was an attempt to fix the fans. Futile, but a good try.
I've enjoyed everything STC has done. Everything right about their episodes outweighs anything I could find wrong.
I would say that about most of their episodes, but "The White Iris" and "Embracing The Winds" were serious disappointments for me.
Hasn't Shatner said that if there had been a Season 4 he would have wanted to explore a more fallible side of Kirk?
Candidly I have never heard that in all these years. And given he had the chance to do so later in his own directorial effort (TFF) and didn't do so leads me to doubt he ever said such a thing unless I see an exact quote or source.
I say potato, you say potatoe.No, it was an attempt to fix the fans. Futile, but a good try.
I've enjoyed everything STC has done. Everything right about their episodes outweighs anything I could find wrong.
I'm not suggesting they should or shouldn't have done it. It's up to them to tell the stories they want. That said, like this one, the execution didn't work for me at all. I do appreciate what they were trying to do though.
I believe I heard this from Vic in a radio interview, so I can't say where it originated.
Given Vic's reputation, the fact that he has been to countless conventions, numerous ones that Bill Shatner has also spoken at, I take his statement at face value.
You're saying this as if the actor has ANY say about a series' direction, when that has always been under the exclusive perview of the producers and writers.
True, but it's conceivably an actor could express certain hopes to the show's producers and writers.
Well actors are ALWAYS offering their ''input'' and ''hopes'' to the creative team, but any savvy writer knows that basically what it really means is ''I want more screen time and more screen time=more $$$ for them''...A good writer listens but does NOT let such input supercede what the series actually needs.
You're thinking short term, Warped. What I mean by more screen time= more $$, is actors are also angling for their future $$$ as well, the job after the current one. Actors have no compunction in asking that their character suddenly act in completely uncharacteristic ways, but those scenes make nifty portfolio pieces to show other producers in order to get future acting gigs.
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