William Shatner Apologizes For Star Trek V

[Warped9]

Sybok was a zealot little different than Dr. Sevrin from "The Way To Eden." He was deludedly searching for something that didn't really exist outside of his imagination. He was also charismatic like many of these individuals can be. Add in Sybok's mental abilities and he makes an effective figure for others to follow.

Today we still have individuals who are deluded and seek to attain something that exists only in their imagination. And they are willing to sacrifice countless lives to attain the unattainable. And we have plenty of equally deluded souls willing to follow them into hell.

 

[2takesfrakes]

The main problem with Sybok's abilities is the logic behind this Secret Pain business. Mi vida loco has been trauma-free ... OK? In my view: Life is SWEET! So, Sybok could never use his voodoo on me, because it simply don't apply, here - as must surely be the case for a large percentage of the masses, throughout the Galaxy. Sybok's premise is really kind of stupid, actually ...

 

[Warped9]

The main problem with Sybok's abilities is the logic behind this Secret Pain business. Mi vida loco has been trauma-free ... OK? In my view: Life is SWEET! So, Sybok could never use his voodoo on me, because it simply don't apply, here - as must surely be the case for a large percentage of the masses, throughout the Galaxy. Sybok's premise is really kind of stupid, actually ...

This.

Kirk nailed it in saying, "I need my pain. I don't need anyone to tell me I should have turned right instead of left. Our pain is part of who and what we are."

Not everyone is saddled with unbearable torment that defines us.

 

[Paradise City]

Anyone that has lived at all has some trauma buried within them. That follows from Kirk's point, that pain itself forges character and ultimately defeats Sybok's otherwise compelling raison d'etre. Sybok is the high point of this film and is the catalyst for some of the most unique moments in Trek history. It's interesting to mull over what Connery would've made of the role or even Nimoy; but I don't think you could cast better than Luckinbill for the Sybok character.

 

[locutus101]

Anyone that has lived at all has some trauma buried within them. That follows from Kirk's point, that pain itself forges character and ultimately defeats Sybok's otherwise compelling raison d'etre. Sybok is the high point of this film and is the catalyst for some of the most unique moments in Trek history. It's interesting to mull over what Connery would've made of the role or even Nimoy; but I don't think you could cast better than Luckinbill for the Sybok character.

I don't have a trauma buried within me. There are a fews things that could have gone better but I am not traumatized by any of them. Why should it be a rule that EVERY one has ONE trauma. Seems rather bizarre. Like some sort of Karma, maybe.

 

[Paradise City]

I don't have a trauma buried within me. There are a fews things that could have gone better but I am not traumatized by any of them. Why should it be a rule that EVERY one has ONE trauma. Seems rather bizarre. Like some sort of Karma, maybe.

Because death is before us. Because the world is a chaotic place full of evil and goodness. Because the world is full of joy and suffering and to be human is to be touched by both. I believe to be human one must traumatised by the world to a great or less and people either choose to sublimate this and pretend they are secular-angels or they acknowledge this. Kirk is absolutely on point that when said he needs his pain. It's the big reason I have this film so much space.

 

[locutus101]

Because death is before us. Because the world is a chaotic place full of evil and goodness. Because the world is full of joy and suffering and to be human is to be touched by both. I believe to be human one must traumatised by the world to a great or less and people either choose to sublimate this and pretend they are secular-angels or they acknowledge this. Kirk is absolutely on point that when said he needs his pain. It's the big reason I have this film so much space.

Well, I don't have such traumatic event in my past. I don't see why it should be an obligation to have one. After all, life is mostly random, so I would guess that some people like me have zero traumatizing events in their past, others one, others two...ect.. I am betting that some unlucky people have ten of them.

 

[Paradise City]

Well, I don't have such traumatic event in my past. I don't see why it should be an obligation to have one. After all, life is mostly random, so I would guess that some people like me have zero traumatizing events in their past, others one, others two...ect.. I am betting that some unlucky people have ten of them.

I do believe everybody is traumatised to one degree or another because that is man in the world, whether he cares to admit it or not. Everybody has suffered a bereavement, everybody has worries, death tugs at us as we get older and on it goes. People can claim immunity from the world's vicissitudes if they so desire but it's not a view I subscribe to.

 

[locutus101]

I do believe everybody is traumatised to one degree or another because that is man in the world, whether he cares to admit it or not. Everybody has suffered a bereavement, everybody has worries, death tugs at us as we get older and on it goes. People can claim immunity from the world's vicissitudes if they so desire but it's not a view I subscribe to.

Ok.

 

[Timby]

H with which to take Shatner's ire out on Nimoy's success in the director's seat and beating him to it, in the first place.

Does it take effort for you to pull complete BS out of your ass to fuel your vendetta against Shatner (cf. your previous ridiculous idea that the beautiful tracking shot on the bridge was only so Melanie Shatner could get some more screentime), or does it just come naturally?

 

[2takesfrakes]

Was STAR TREK V a proper stepping-stone, for Melanie Shatner's career? Has she been in anything? I'm more aware of his other daughter Liz Shatner, who penned a novelisation about the making of "The Final Frontier." Mr. Shatner's STAR TREK movie was something of a family affair, in that sense.

 

[locutus101]

Was STAR TREK V a proper stepping-stone, for Melanie Shatner's career? Has she been in anything? I'm more aware of his other daughter Liz Shatner, who penned a novelisation about the making of "The Final Frontier." Mr. Shatner's STAR TREK movie was something of a family affair, in that sense.

I for one never noticed anything out of the ordinary before the two of you started arguing about it.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Guys, I'm sensing this discussion is getting a little bit heated. Please remember to discuss the post, but not to attack your fellow posters.

 

[2takesfrakes]

If I gave the impression, at any time, of having taken any of this discussion personally, then please accept my assurances that this hasn't been the case, for me. I never felt "defensive" or concerned about the outcome of any disagreement, because I never saw it that way. I can be blunt, however, the way I type. All I'm saying is that I was never, at any time, concerned about the discussion getting "heated," because I never felt that, reading through it. Though, it does seem to have taken an odd turn, all of a sudden. I'm perfectly fine with dropping it. Again, I never ... at any time ... felt I was engaged in anything remotely charged, emotionally. I didn't view it that way.

 

[eyeresist]

Sybok was a zealot little different than Dr. Sevrin from "The Way To Eden." He was deludedly searching for something that didn't really exist outside of his imagination.

It certainly DID exist outside his imagination, but he was mistaken (deceived) as to what it was.

 

[locutus101]

It certainly DID exist outside his imagination, but he was mistaken (deceived) as to what it was.

Plus contrary to Servin, Sybok was not a murdering psychopath and in fact he sacrificed himself so that others could live, something I can't imagine the other sob doing.