Well then ... we disagree ... on both points ...
One thing that annoys me in Voyager...
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Well, the problem is that "Endgame" is very often listed as one of the worst* finale (just before Entreprise) offered by the saga Star Trek (TV). A contrario, "What you leave behind" (DS9) is listed as one of the best finale.
* Its counterpart for movies is, Star Trek: Nemesis.
For my part, I like some things and not others!
Well then ... we disagree ... on both points ...
I suppose so.
Well, the problem is that "Endgame" is very often listed as one of the worst* finale (just before Entreprise) offered by the saga Star Trek (TV). A contrario, "What you leave behind" (DS9) is listed as one of the best finale.
* Its counterpart for movies is, Star Trek: Nemesis.
For my part, I like some things and not others!
For some reason the ENT people decided to end with a whimper.
This is because they aren't. The Kazon stole (for lack of a better word) their tech from the Trabe. They ran about the sector like really bad versions of the Borg, trying to assimilate the tech of other species, but never really understanding the tech or mastering its use.
Agreed.
To quote from Shakespeare's Hamlet, "Though it be madness, yet there is method in it".
Do you agree?
Seriously, I love Voyager so much I could watch a thousand episodes.
And yes, I don't really like the books.
But then again, an ending when they don't make it home would have been a lot more to my taste.
"Il n'y a de génie sans un grain de folie" (There is no genius without a touch of madness)
or .
"Le problème du monde n'est pas qu'il soit fou, son problème vient du faite qu'il est beaucoup trop terre a terre. Il devrait avoir les pieds sur terre et la tête dans les étoiles"
I like very much Voyager too, with its strengths and weaknesses!
Actually I think the original series had the worst finale, not Voyager. Because it (Turnabout Intruder) wasn't really a finale. Just the episode shown last for the original series.
I don't hate Voyager's finale. I just wish it had been at least a 2 or 3 episode arc that didn't involve time travel. And that wrapped things up for the characters when they got home.
I don't hate Voyager's finale. I just wish it had been at least a 2 or 3 episode arc that didn't involve time travel. And that wrapped things up for the characters when they got home.
Who makes these lists? Clearly not me. And that's fine, of course. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and some think Kirk is a Denebian slime devil. But here's my contrary opinion, just to show that it's out there:
It takes creativity and a deft touch to end a show in a way that also leaves ideas and situations open. By contrast, it feels formulaic and crude to lay out the destiny of each character from a show in turn, in an epilogic departure from the plot at hand. This is why I say "Endgame" is a masterful finale and "What You Leave Behind" not so much.
I always thought one word sentences like " compensate" , "elaborate", and the like were Seven of Nine's Borg speech patterns rubbing off on the rest of the crew.
I always thought one word sentences like " compensate" , "elaborate", and the like were Seven of Nine's Borg speech patterns rubbing off on the rest of the crew.
Let's not forget that there is a love-hate relationship (mostly hate actually) between Janeway and the borg queen.
How many shows end on a less than positive note? B7 springs to mind with nearly everyone seemingly killed off.
B7? Is that the name of a show?
I can't find it under that name.
Blake's 7? Never heard of it.
Is this a sci-fi show?
Wiki says it's a British sci. fi. show broadcast between 1978 and 1981.
I never like Series Finales.
Other things I don't like are Chakotay.
"We are far from the bones of our ancestors."
Arguing with Tuvok.
and that is about all he ever did.
And the most annoying character ever is Tom Paris. He did too much. He has more privileges than Wesley Crusher did on The Enterprise D. He is supposed to be a rough character but he does not look like nor act like a rough character at all. On the contrary, He looks like the ideal man of the 1990s: He is blonde, and has very short hair and even shorter in Season 5. He gets plenty of character development and the majority of it appears to be 20th century culture (and perhaps stereotypical 20th century culture) including slang, technology, and locations. He probably designed half of the many Holodeck Programs featured on Voyager. The obvious one being Captain Proton. And he designed The Delta Flyer even though there was The Aeroshuttle (or a slot for an Aeroshuttle) and Neelix's shuttle. The Delta Flyer is sophisticated but it is also Tom Paris's personal racecar (with a relevant retro racecar control panel). He gets a second race car ... race shuttle in the episode "Alice". Sometimes I think he is so developed that they could name the entire show after him. (Same for Wesley) I don't know if it is a coincidence that he looks like a guy from Wesley's Flight Squad but the character Tom Paris turned out to be very annoying.
Other things I don't like are Chakotay.
"We are far from the bones of our ancestors."
Arguing with Tuvok.
and that is about all he ever did.
And the most annoying character ever is Tom Paris. He did too much. He has more privileges than Wesley Crusher did on The Enterprise D. He is supposed to be a rough character but he does not look like nor act like a rough character at all. On the contrary, He looks like the ideal man of the 1990s: He is blonde, and has very short hair and even shorter in Season 5. He gets plenty of character development and the majority of it appears to be 20th century culture (and perhaps stereotypical 20th century culture) including slang, technology, and locations. He probably designed half of the many Holodeck Programs featured on Voyager. The obvious one being Captain Proton. And he designed The Delta Flyer even though there was The Aeroshuttle (or a slot for an Aeroshuttle) and Neelix's shuttle. The Delta Flyer is sophisticated but it is also Tom Paris's personal racecar (with a relevant retro racecar control panel). He gets a second race car ... race shuttle in the episode "Alice". Sometimes I think he is so developed that they could name the entire show after him. (Same for Wesley) I don't know if it is a coincidence that he looks like a guy from Wesley's Flight Squad but the character Tom Paris turned out to be very annoying.
The Borg Queen is another one. Isn't she supposed to be dead? And she is also very disgusting. But I suppose she is supposed to be disgusting lol.
I don't know if you have ever heard of Sci-Fi Debris. It's a site run by a guy who does sci-fi video reviews. One of his running jokes in his Voyager recaps is all about how Tom Paris is always doing things that are not his job. "What other people were in that prison? Was this the prison of savants or something?"
After watching three more voyager episodes involving Tom Paris: One of them includes when B'Ellanna makes an antique television for him. And it is a Black & White television. Isn't Voyager and her crew limited on parts and energy? I think one of his Holodeck Programs is a movie theatre.
And I have just confirmed in "Drive" that The Delta Flyer was created just for Tom Paris. Because he used it as his "Just Married" vehicle. I thought Away Missions would be assigned to Neelix, especially diplomatic ones, and that Neelix would use his own ship. But after seeing "Just Married" spray painted onto Voyager's Delta Flyer, it establishes that it is Tom's race-shuttle.
And I have just confirmed in "Drive" that The Delta Flyer was created just for Tom Paris. Because he used it as his "Just Married" vehicle. I thought Away Missions would be assigned to Neelix, especially diplomatic ones, and that Neelix would use his own ship. But after seeing "Just Married" spray painted onto Voyager's Delta Flyer, it establishes that it is Tom's race-shuttle.
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