Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"

[fireproof78]

Voyager had everything it needed to make more shuttles and torpedoes, though.

Not according to them.

They didn't really have many constraints.

Nope, they sure didn't.

Maybe, although I sometimes wonder if I've seen the same show when I hear some of the more intense critiques..

I feel the same way about the Kelvin universe.

VOY was just a mixed bag, and it hit many the wrong way. For me, it was Seven of Nine, and the rather overt sexualization that annoyed me, and they didn't utilize the story arcs they had created to any great extent. The stories were enjoyable, but largely forgettable, aside from the occasional one.

I would call VOY safe, as far as my TV watching went. I enjoyed it, and it was easy to click to it on the remote and watch it with little fear of what might come across the screen. But, SG-1 and Farscape started taking up more of my interest and VOY fell by the wayside.

 

[locutus101]

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Sounds like just about every TV show ever produced.

Unfortunately, I'll have to agree with you on that.

 

[Sophie74656]

I don't believe the criticism of Voyager was so extreme as some would have you believe. Some episodes are pretty stupid,even on the face of it.

Oh yes, as much as I deeply love the show there are some episodes that I can say are quite bad

 

[locutus101]

Oh yes, as much as I deeply love the show there are some episodes that I can say are quite bad

Yes, the "what were they thinking" kind of episode.

 

[Sophie74656]

Yes, the "what were they thinking" kind of episode.

"what were they thinking?" I can only think of one episodes, Threshold. Others that I don't care for I can at least kind of see what they were trying to do and where it went wrong

 

[locutus101]

"what were they thinking?" I can only think of one episodes, Threshold. Others that I don't care for I can at least kind of see what they were trying to do and where it went wrong

I don't know. Take Waking Moments for example. Ever ask yourself, who the hell does all the work on their planet if they're all sleeping. Who feeds them, wash them, change their clothes. How do they reproduce? They can't just dream they're having sex, can they? The whole thing is just idiotic.

 

[Sophie74656]

I don't know. Take Waking Moments for example. Ever ask yourself, who the hell does all the work on their planet if they're all sleeping. Who feeds them, wash them, change their clothes. How do they reproduce? They can't just dream they're having sex, can they? The whole thing is just idiotic.

Oh I'm not disagreeing. I can see where the idea of a species that attacks you through your dreams sounds interesting, but I also see where it falls apart as in all the points you mentioned.

 

[Tracy Trek]

^You're right about Waking Moments. When I first watched it years ago, I thought maybe they were in some kind of stasis. Actually I don't think the writers understood the concept of stasis either, where they were having Tom waking up and escaping his stasis pod multiple times in another episode.

I've come to the realization that with Voyager, I'm kind of "I want my cake and to eat it too". I agree they had problems with continuity, the reset button, no lasting consequences on the ship and crew, etc. I thought they should have showed them struggling more. But if they had, if it got too despressing, I don't know if I would have liked it.

A good example of this is the Stargate franchise. I loved Stargate SG1, it became my new favorite when Voyager went off the air. I also liked it's first spin-off Atlantis. But I absolutely loathed the second spin-off Universe. I wanted to like it. But I would get about half-way through the first season both times I tried to watch it and I couldn't stand it. I heard it got better in the second season, but by that time I could care less.

I guess it was the characters of Voyager and their interactions with each other that made it my favorite. They felt like people I could relate too. I read somewhere, it might have been in a fanfic, someone said "Janeway's ship of mis-fit toys".

 

[locutus101]

^You're right about Waking Moments. When I first watched it years ago, I thought maybe they were in some kind of stasis. Actually I don't think the writers understood the concept of stasis either, where they were having Tom waking up and escaping his stasis pod multiple times in another episode.

I've come to the realization that with Voyager, I'm kind of "I want my cake and to eat it too". I agree they had problems with continuity, the reset button, no lasting consequences on the ship and crew, etc. I thought they should have showed them struggling more. But if they had, if it got too despressing, I don't know if I would have liked it.

A good example of this is the Stargate franchise. I loved Stargate SG1, it became my new favorite when Voyager went off the air. I also liked it's first spin-off Atlantis. But I absolutely loathed the second spin-off Universe. I wanted to like it. But I would get about half-way through the first season both times I tried to watch it and I couldn't stand it. I heard it got better in the second season, but by that time I could care less.

I guess it was the characters of Voyager and their interactions with each other that made it my favorite. They felt like people I could relate too. I read somewhere, it might have been in a fanfic, someone said "Janeway's ship of mis-fit toys".

It's funny, I liked SG1 and Atlanlis even more but I just hated Universe, and yet I watched it till the end. The second season was indeed better than the first one, which isn't hard, when you've hit rock bottom you can only go up.

 

[stardream]

I liked Waking Moments even though it did have its 'dumb' moments. At least it gave Chakotay something to do.

 

[locutus101]

I liked Waking Moments even though it did have its 'dumb' moments. At least it gave Chakotay something to do.

Each time he was mooned, he knew he was dreaming.

 

[Sophie74656]

I liked Waking Moments even though it did have its 'dumb' moments. At least it gave Chakotay something to do.

It had some cute moments, some of the dreams were interesting. Of course I loved the little Tom and B'Elanna scene and I loved how cute Tom looked asleep at the helm

 

[locutus101]

It had some cute moments, some of the dreams were interesting. Of course I loved the little Tom and B'Elanna scene and I loved how cute Tom looked asleep at the helm

To each their own. I don't watch Sci. fi. looking for cute moments. In fact I don't watch anything for cute moments.

 

[Sophie74656]

To each their own. I don't watch Sci. fi. looking for cute moments. In fact I don't watch anything for cute moments.

I just mean that in this particular episode those cute moments are the only good thing really.

 

[locutus101]

I just mean that in this particular episode those cute moments are the only good thing really.

Well, given my opinion about cute moments, I can only agree.

 

[WebLurker]

Not according to them.

Is it possible they found the means to make more along the way?

I feel the same way about the Kelvin universe.

All I can say, as someone who really dislikes the Kelvin timeline, had the original two movies been made like Beyond, I'd probably be a fan, since, unlike the previous two, that one was very much in tone with TOS and felt more like a riff off it rather than something completely different. Case in point, we finally got Spock and McCoy interacting on-screen like their TV counterparts, something I really missed the first couple times round.

VOY was just a mixed bag, and it hit many the wrong way. For me, it was Seven of Nine, and the rather overt sexualization that annoyed me, and they didn't utilize the story arcs they had created to any great extent. The stories were enjoyable, but largely forgettable, aside from the occasional one.

I would call VOY safe, as far as my TV watching went. I enjoyed it, and it was easy to click to it on the remote and watch it with little fear of what might come across the screen. But, SG-1 and Farscape started taking up more of my interest and VOY fell by the wayside.

Fair enough.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Each time he was mooned, he knew he was dreaming.

That is so funny.

It had some cute moments, some of the dreams were interesting. Of course I loved the little Tom and B'Elanna scene and I loved how cute Tom looked asleep at the helm

I did like that scene at the beginning, too. They never showed what B'Elanna's nightmare was. My opinion of what they could have used would be something about her abandonment by her father or something about the Vidians.

 

[locutus101]

That is so funny.
....

Thank you.

 

[MacLeod]

^You're right about Waking Moments. When I first watched it years ago, I thought maybe they were in some kind of stasis. Actually I don't think the writers understood the concept of stasis either, where they were having Tom waking up and escaping his stasis pod multiple times in another episode.

I've come to the realization that with Voyager, I'm kind of "I want my cake and to eat it too". I agree they had problems with continuity, the reset button, no lasting consequences on the ship and crew, etc. I thought they should have showed them struggling more. But if they had, if it got too despressing, I don't know if I would have liked it.

A good example of this is the Stargate franchise. I loved Stargate SG1, it became my new favorite when Voyager went off the air. I also liked it's first spin-off Atlantis. But I absolutely loathed the second spin-off Universe. I wanted to like it. But I would get about half-way through the first season both times I tried to watch it and I couldn't stand it. I heard it got better in the second season, but by that time I could care less.

I guess it was the characters of Voyager and their interactions with each other that made it my favorite. They felt like people I could relate too. I read somewhere, it might have been in a fanfic, someone said "Janeway's ship of mis-fit toys".

SG:U certainly had it's issues esp/ in the first half of the first season and in many respects didn't really come togther until the second half of season two.And I think some of that was down to some of the characters weren't exactly likeable in SG:U. Some of the character issues were addressed later which made some of them more likeable.

 

[fireproof78]

Is it possible they found the means to make more along the way?

I would certainly like to think so, but I think that it needed a simple, throwaway line of acknowledgement, rather than hoping the audience ignores it.

All I can say, as someone who really dislikes the Kelvin timeline, had the original two movies been made like Beyond, I'd probably be a fan, since, unlike the previous two, that one was very much in tone with TOS and felt more like a riff off it rather than something completely different. Case in point, we finally got Spock and McCoy interacting on-screen like their TV counterparts, something I really missed the first couple times round.

To each their own, to be sure. I certainly think otherwise, but I can see the reasons behind that opinion.

Fair enough.