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Robert Beltran says the Prime Directive is 'fascist crap'

Fine. They don't have a significant medical problem then
And then there was Worf and his broken back. Which would be better? Weeks/months being expose to some of the particles, or highly experimental surgury that nearly killed him? It isn't that the Federation already has medicine (they do) it's a matter of the particles being better than what they already have.
Any Immortality creates a problem with resources if the elderly stop dying, and keep eating
And if one of the Baku stopped eating, they're immortal, would they die? Or are the crops we see being grown just for the children?
I find the whole notion of pre-warp and warp societies to be condescending and presumptuous.
Humanity was the same the day before Cochrane's flight as we were the day after.

If you would insist on a benchmark, wouldn't some kind of sociological development standard make more sense? A philosophic achievement, verses a propulsion mechanism.

Yes, a warp drive might push the issue, they can now come to you. But it should not be the prime predetermining criteria.
 
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If you would insist on a benchmark, wouldn't some kind of sociological development standard make more sense? A philosophic achievement, verses a propulsion mechanism.

Yes, a warp drive might push the issue, they can now come to you. But it should not be the prime predetermining criteria.

One worldwide government, eliminating the possibility of war. No nations, no nationalities, no boundaries. That would be a good criterion. Sounds like we're still a couple of centuries away from that though.
 
And then there was Worf and his broken back. Which would be better? Weeks/months being expose to some of the particles, or highly experimental surgury that nearly killed him? It isn't that the Federation already has medicine (they do) it's a matter of the particles being better than what they already have
The particles get turned off Worf goes back to square one. These particles aren't going anywhere anyway. The Feds have all the time in the galaxy to understand what-the-hell-is-going-on with the particles and devise a way of harnessing them properly without a given person being tethered to them.

But the point I'm making on this thread is that Picard isn't guilty of double standards here but the American Indian affair and the Baku are two different cases and that Picard has undergone an experience in the American Indian episode that went on to influence his stand in the Insurrection movie. .
 
Any Immortality creates a problem with resources if the elderly stop dying, and keep eating when there's young that were expecting to be earmarked for that cornstarch.

Yes, that is the horror story of Miri.

Not exactly. There were no grown ups to keep up infrastructure and supply food. Their population also had to be dwindling, because they never stayed in maturity long enough to make new babies.
 
One worldwide government, eliminating the possibility of war. No nations, no nationalities, no boundaries. That would be a good criterion. Sounds like we're still a couple of centuries away from that though.
The Nazi's winning the second world war could have achieved all of those items. I would think a one world government (in of itself) won't be all that important. The species obtaining social and cultural unity would be better, a cultural achievement.

Absolute harmony would not be a requirement. A all controling one world nation wouldn't be needed.

The particles get turned off Worf goes back to square one
How would that work? Let's say Worf's spine and nerves are complete repaired - then the particles are "turned off" - what then is going to unrepair his spine? What force, what mechinism would come into play to redamage all the good work done by the particle treatment?

Worf's treatment would be over with, he walks away.
 
What about Geordi's eyes? He could see on the planet, and is back to implants in Nemesis isn't he?
 
What about Geordi's eyes? He could see on the planet, and is back to implants in Nemesis isn't he?

Yes, that the part that doesn't make any sense. If Geordi's eyes are back, they are back. What would be the cause of their destruction? I think this is where "the writers are totally full of shit" shows it's ugly head. These idiots have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
 
How would that work? Let's say Worf's spine and nerves are complete repaired - then the particles are "turned off" - what then is going to unrepair his spine? What force, what mechinism would come into play to redamage all the good work done by the particle treatment?

Worf's treatment would be over with, he walks away.
It's more it wouldn't work on Worf's disfigurement in the first place.
 
I want to say the "A time to..." novels set between Insurrection and Nemesis have an explanation, but it's been a while since I read them.
 
Yes, that the part that doesn't make any sense. If Geordi's eyes are back, they are back. What would be the cause of their destruction? I think this is where "the writers are totally full of shit" shows it's ugly head. These idiots have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
That part never made sense to me either. Unless they meant you had to stay there permanently to keep the cure.
 
It made sense in-universe. You move away from the rays, it loses its effect. If it was a genuine fountain of youth, then the galaxy would suddenly become composed of races of immortals and you can't write that stuff in.
 
That part never made sense to me either. Unless they meant you had to stay there permanently to keep the cure.

Yes, that's probably what they meant but it still doesn't make sense, unless the cure was an illusion of some kind and the organ was still damaged. But who would want that kind of medicine?
Plus does that mean that if the people on the planet left they would age very quickly and die within a few days? That's how you know that a writer doesn't give a shit.
 
It made sense in-universe. You move away from the rays, it loses its effect. If it was a genuine fountain of youth, then the galaxy would suddenly become composed of races of immortals and you can't write that stuff in.

Well, a ray that makes everyone young and healthy is just bullshit anyway. It has nothing to do with science, even fictitious science. Fairy tales, yes, science, hell no!
 
Maybe. But curing death, I'm not sure is a road you should go down in dramatic terms.

Well, with the Pulaski incident, it's already been established that you don't need anything new to make people immortal. A transporter is all you need. In fact Rascals also established that even if you're old, you can be young again and keep your knowledge and your skills. They just choose to ignore it and move on.
 
Maybe. But curing death, I'm not sure is a road you should go down in dramatic terms.

You're not really curing death. I imagine the metaphasic radiation can't heal the fallout from a phaser on disintegrate. I think it would be a far more interesting arc to have a show deal with a long lived species that is far more advanced (maybe moved humans), than the overused humdrum of politics and war.
 
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