Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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Six episodes for Flockhart doesn't seem like a lot. I thought that she would appear in most of the episodes but have a smaller role in each one. Now it looks like she'll have a substantial role in the few episodes she'll do.
I still like the idea of her becoming Carter's VP to explain her absence. Make it happen!
I still like the idea of her becoming Carter's VP to explain her absence. Make it happen!
I didn't think about crossovers with the four CW shows. Its going to be "interesting" seeing only two parts of a four part crossover. I kind of wish they wouldn't do crossover stories. I mean, having the characters appear on other shows is cool, but a story that runs through multiple shows sucks. its like when a comic crossover goes through one or two comics you're reading, and a bunch of stuff you're not. You then have to choose between experiencing an incomplete crossover, or wasting money (or in a TV shows case, time) on stuff you dislike just so you get the whole story.
Comics have gotten a bit better about that, with most crossover events being its own mini series nowadays while the individual comic books for various series are just tie in issues you don't have to buy. I guess there isn't really a way to replicate that on TV. Its not a huge deal, in depth summaries of shows are available shortly after an episode airs so its easy to follow the story without watching shows I don't want to. It just kind of sucks, and feels like a waste of an episode for Flash and Legends of Tomorrow to make them crossover with CW's mediocre shows. This really shows the problem with having so many connected shows on one network (or at least having all the shows run by people who like to cross them over).
Comics have gotten a bit better about that, with most crossover events being its own mini series nowadays while the individual comic books for various series are just tie in issues you don't have to buy. I guess there isn't really a way to replicate that on TV. Its not a huge deal, in depth summaries of shows are available shortly after an episode airs so its easy to follow the story without watching shows I don't want to. It just kind of sucks, and feels like a waste of an episode for Flash and Legends of Tomorrow to make them crossover with CW's mediocre shows. This really shows the problem with having so many connected shows on one network (or at least having all the shows run by people who like to cross them over).
Yeah, Supergirl specifically pleased viewers so well it moved to a smaller Network when it couldn't make the needed ratings on the larger one
To be clear, I love crossovers. If they did a Flash/Legends of Tomorrow crossover and left out the garbage I'd be happy. But, even if I liked either of the other shows having four crossover episodes for one story is ridiculous, and really making someone watch episodes of four different shows to get one story is a bit BS, even if all the shows were good.
Comics have been doing it for decades, though.
Yeah, and like I said having to get, say, four different comics for one story, especially if you don't regularly get some of the comics, is BS and not done as often any more (its usually just a mini series as a crossover and individual issues as optional tie ins).
Most people are happy with crossovers even if it's on a show they don't regularly watch because essentially it's like having an extra episode of the show they do like...
Ratings had very little to do with Supergirl shifting from CBS to The CW.
we've been through this before. the ratings were not good enough to justify the expense of the show.
^ CBS has said otherwise by revealing that they were happy enough with the ratings that the show would have remained on their schedule if the opportunity to shift it to The CW hadn't presented itself and said decision hadn't made as much sense as it did.
CBS owns %50 of the CW, and Time Warner owns %100 of Supergirl, as well as the other half of the CW.
It's a mostly lateral shift?
OH?
The CW doesn't have to pay/renew the huge license to use DC characters that CBS has to.
60 million dollars.
That has to be a weight off their minds.
It's a mostly lateral shift?
OH?
The CW doesn't have to pay/renew the huge license to use DC characters that CBS has to.
60 million dollars.
That has to be a weight off their minds.
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If the show had stayed on CBS, it would be facing cancellation this year or next. On the CW, it has a chance at a good run.
I will or won't check out the others depending on how interesting the setup is, but I watched part two of the (Hawk/Savage) crossover between Flash and Arrow last year and seriously regretted it because the Arrow episode was absolutely awful.
Actually, its not. You get one less episode, really. As an example, with a crossover instead of an episode of The Flash where his story gets to continue you get his ongoing story on hold so a bunch of characters (so of which you might not like) get to waste one of Flash's episodes on a story that, at minimum, doesn't have as much to do with him as a normal episode of his series would.
Basically, I want to see 45 minutes of The Flash doing his own thing, or the Legends of Tomorrow crew saving the day. I don't want to see Felicity or Supergirl on those shows, and every second they show up is taking time away from the stories of the characters/shows I do like. So, with a crossover you get less episodes of shows you like so that shows you don't like can interrupt your show. That's how it works when there is a crossover with shows you don't like, at least. If you like all the shows in a crossover, its great. When you don't, you're getting less episodes of a show you like so that shows you hate can invade and interrupt the other show(s). Give me 22 episodes with just The Flash's cast over 21 episodes with his cast and one with him as just one of an ensemble of characters (half of which are pretty bad).
I basically have to skip a week of The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow if I want to avoid the garbage on CW's line up. That's the exact opposite of getting an extra episode, especially since someone like me who hates Arrow isn't going to watch Arrow just because Flash or the Legends crew is on it, and even if hI did Flash/LoT casts are still getting less of a focus in a four episode crossover then they do on one episode of their own shows.
There's no reason a crossover ep has to put the ongoing story on hold any more than the Flash's "villain of the week" stories do. In the recent Flash/Arrow crossover, we got Caitlin and Wells improving the Velocity formula and having to get "Jay" to use it to save Wells' life, which ties into the later storyline regarding his addiction. In the reciprocal ep, we move Ollie's backstory along with Barry's DNA test confirming he's a father, and seeing how Felicity reacts (OK that bit gets reset, but it sets up the fallout at the end of the season).
if they were happy enough as you say, they would have immediately renewed the series. they didn't. its fate was up in the air for some time.
Yeah, the crossovers had the crossover part as the A story, while the B story was still tied into the season's main arc.
But there's more to consider than ratings. At its most basic, the question is one of balancing ratings with cost. Ratings that would be good enough for a regular show could be inadequate for a show that's unusually expensive due to having tons of elaborate special effects. Also, since CBS didn't own Supergirl outright, they had to pay a licensing fee that made it more expensive for them. A lot of otherwise viable shows have been cancelled for this reason, even though it seems kind of unethical and anti-competitive to me for companies to favor their own properties over others'.
I read somewhere that, even though the overall season 2 budget is lower, the lack of a license fee plus the cheaper filming in Vancouver means the show actually has more money available for production than it had before.
http://www.indiewire.com/2016/09/greg-berlanti-interview-flash-arrow-supergirl-riverdale-1201725110/
It really sounds like the crossover is going to be between the three core shows with just a little bleed over to Supergirl.
It really sounds like the crossover is going to be between the three core shows with just a little bleed over to Supergirl.
