There are always outliers. But there weren't many folks clamoring for a show that took place between Enterprise and Star Trek. For many folks, they were equating "Prime" with post-Nemesis.
What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?
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There are always outliers. But there weren't many folks clamoring for a show that took place between Enterprise and Star Trek. For many folks, they were equating "Prime" with post-Nemesis.
I can only speak for myself and for me that was never the case. For me post-NEM does not equal "Prime". Only "Prime" equals/means "Prime".
And again I say, the Prime you get may not be the Prime you wanted.
And the only "battle" I've seen is here in this thread, waged by those demanding apologies from people who disagree with their opinions.
As long as it "fits" into the Prime universe and doesn't try to replace it with a parallel timeline I'm happy.
And the only "battle" I've seen is here in this thread, waged by those demanding apologies from people who disagree with their opinions.
I beg to differ:
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-2017-will-not-be-set-in-the-jj-verse.276899/
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/goodbye-prime.253156/
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/do-fans-want-the-prime-timeline-back.222676/
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/will-star-trek-ever-return-to-prime-universe.189595/
Since some of us have better things to do than read old threads looking for where we might have been disparaged or slighted, I'll just declare you the winner and say "Good day."
Schmexcellent.
That didn't make a lot of sense...did you just use the word to define the word? Pretty sure that's not how it works.
Dude. That's a BIG movement of goal posts in trying to retroactively still be right. Nobody equated "prime" with "post Nemesis". Did those argueing for prime prefered a post-NEM show? Probably a whole lot of them. Me included.
But again: The new show is prime. That was what the argument about was. Not the timeframe. It could have been between TOS and TNG. Or 1000 years in the future. It still would have been prime. And now it's over. It is prime. Period.
There's nothing to be ashamed of admitting being wrong, once new information (in this case confirmation) has surfaced. There were reasonable arguments why a new series wouldn't be set in the prime universe, or take place in the Kelvin timeline. Others were for it. In the end those turned out to be right. That happens. It's only unreasonable to STILL try to discount all the arguments of those who were right in the first place.
I already admitted to being wrong if we take Fuller at his word. But I'm not so sure that his word wasn't more about public relations than a commitment to the Prime timeline.
We'll see whose right.
The focus so far has been on a single word, "Prime." There have been many other quotes from people involved in the production that have been ignored, and indicate that the new show might not be as "prime" as some would like. As far as I know, no cast has been announced and not a single frame has been shot. We don't know at this point in time what "Fuller's Prime" means.
Watching all the premature gloating is embarrassing. Demanding apologies for perceived offenses is childish. I'd suggest that the gloaters and demanders take a step back and wait for more news before pufffing up and planting a flag over the corpses of their enemies.
Of course, LSMFT.
Watching all the premature gloating is embarrassing. Demanding apologies for perceived offenses is childish. I'd suggest that the gloaters and demanders take a step back and wait for more news before pufffing up and planting a flag over the corpses of their enemies.
Of course, LSMFT.
Oh! He's completely gonna' turn Trek upside down! Every alien will look different, every piece of technology will work in a different way. Basically if you were already annoyed by the changes made in ENT this series will be hell for you!
I don't mind it. Would I have prefered post-NEM? Yes. But "being prime" is more important for me. I couldn't care less about the minutiae of canon. The ENT Andorians looked different than the TOS Andorians, and the DIS Andorians will most definitely look different as well. A franchise this big can only work in broad strokes. Star Trek both had a eugenic war in 1996 and Janeway walking on a beach in then-present-era San Francisco. Somehow it was supposed to be the same timeline. I don't care about stuff like that.
I'm just happy it's prime again. Now, I'm just interested in what Fuller has to offer. He seems to have a very specific idea for his series. That's going to be different from what I would do, but that's frankly a good thing. Because I want to see his vision, and be surprised by new things!
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If the above is true, then "prime" is, at best, window dressing and, substantively, irrelevant. I really don't get all the fuss. It's all Star Trek. And (as I indicated in an earlier post), I can think of only a few specific things that would make "prime" relevant in any practical sense--and I doubt any of them will be part of the show. I plan to watch, as I have every officially produced moment of Trek (series, films), regardless of "universe"--because it's Star Trek. All of it. And I like Star Trek (prime, Kelvin, Mirror, and any and all other "universes"). I like some of it more than others (it's 700+ hours--not all of it is equally good), but I've never looked at it as anything than one big thing.
I didn't really have any fixed views as to when I would like this to be set. I vaguely wanted them to stay away from Romulus getting blown up and I vaguely favoured a time just after TUC. I thought with the Alec Axe debacle and that a prequel had already been done with Enterprise they'd stay away from pre-TOS series. I personally favoured a return to prime but I was almost certain it would be Kelvin.
And that's it really. My expectations were largely overturned. But that's OK. My view of this is more drawn towards the names being mentioned as the creative forces behind the project and I'm reasonably confident in Fuller and like that Meyers is a name that is floating around. When it's set and where it's set are more tertiary issues. Interesting issues but not defining ones for me.
And that's it really. My expectations were largely overturned. But that's OK. My view of this is more drawn towards the names being mentioned as the creative forces behind the project and I'm reasonably confident in Fuller and like that Meyers is a name that is floating around. When it's set and where it's set are more tertiary issues. Interesting issues but not defining ones for me.
Completely wrong
The fuss is about it being one, continuing universe. Not a reboot. Character continuity, rather then some narrow-minded obsession about production details.
It's like the Marvel Cinematic Universe: You can make a lot of arguments saying the world of Thor really doesn't fit in with the world of the Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man. But then you have it. All of them standing in the same room and arguing with each other. That's the type of loose continuity the Star Trek series have.
"Man of Steel" is not part of that Universe. Period. Your argument somehow boils down to that because of that the whole Marvel universe is invalid...?
I love the original Trek universe. The one with Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer. And I'm excited Discovery will be part of that universe.
The Kelvin timeline/nuTrek movies are not part of that universe. They aren't really bad on their own, but nothing to get excited about either. So if we have new Star Trek, I want it to be in the same universe as the old Trek, the Trek I love. And in this case, I 100% got what I wanted! Will there be compromise in other regards? Of course. There always will be. All those narrowminded bigots will complain its "prime in name only", or how Enterprise doesn't fit with Trek, or how awful Voyager is, or ..... you name it, really. There's enough stupid us-vs-them going on here. Most of it is only superficial. But in THIS case I'm happy that I'm right. And that all of Trek (well, all of Trek I care for
) vaguely takes place in the same universe. Our future.
Doesn't make sense to me either. By definition, "post-Nemesis" would be the prime timeline, because "Nemesis" was a movie made in the prime timeline.
But there has been some talk that it will be an anthology show like American Horror Story. So we could get different casts and eras every season or two. I would love to see that....
Those threads are pretty amusing!
LOL! Good one. I also cannot wait for this.
I don't care about the production details matching (nor do I think more than a handful of people will truly "care" if the new show is not a clone of The Cage). Character continuity? Are there prior Trek characters who will be regulars on the new show? Or significant guests? If so, then one of the points I made in an earlier post will make "prime" a relevant issue. So far, (and I was careful to note that in my original post) what we currently know does not allow us to be sure in either direction.Completely wrong
The fuss is about it being one, continuing universe. Not a reboot. Character continuity, rather then some narrow-minded obsession about production details.
??? I have made no comment suggesting the Marvel Universe is invalid. Nothing I've written can be logically construed in that fashion.
It's ALL Star Trek.
In my 40+ years of watching Trek, these movies are second only to TOS, to me. And they are most certainly part of Star Trek.
So if we have new Star Trek, I want it to be in the same universe as the old Trek, the Trek I love. And in this case, I 100% got what I wanted! Will there be compromise in other regards? Of course. There always will be. All those narrowminded bigots will complain its "prime in name only", or how Enterprise doesn't fit with Trek, or how awful Voyager is, or ..... you name it, really. There's enough stupid us-vs-them going on here. Most of it is only superficial. But in THIS case I'm happy that I'm right. And that all of Trek (well, all of Trek I care for
My whole point is that "us vs them" in this is stupid. Because it's ALL Star Trek. Even the bits you don't like. Now, the setting of the story ("prime", Kelvin, Mirror, etc.) may represent "different universes" within the ONE franchise, but all of it resides in THE ONE franchise. As such, I get some people like or dislike various aspects within it. But the "real Star Trek" label necessarily applies to ALL of it.
