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Starfleet Uniform Code

Plus I'm sure each ship makes allowances when there's a good reason for it. Crewman Dax (TUC) didn't wear shoes...

I'm surprised everyone seems more interested in arguing over discipline and completely skipped over my safety argument.
 
Plus I'm sure each ship makes allowances when there's a good reason for it. Crewman Dax (TUC) didn't wear shoes...

I'm surprised everyone seems more interested in arguing over discipline and completely skipped over my safety argument.
I think people are thinking of many real life rules that exist for no real practical, logical, or safety reasons, and are arbitrary, just to emphasize who is boss -- "just because I say so" rules.

A real life arbitrary rule that exists in many school districts and in some workplaces is the one prohibiting long hair on boys/men. There couldn't be a safety reason for this, because if there was, women would be prohibited, too.
 
I do tend to agree with this. Not only do we see startling variations, we also see blatant non-uniforms like Troi's unitard. And the idea that it might be down to the digression of individual COs handily explains why Deanna gets away with it under Jean Luc, but gets pulled up on it under Jellicoe.

It seems clear that Riker is making an exception of Ro Laren, which seems suspiciously close to hazing/harassment to me.
This is kind of my thoughts. It feels rather arbitrary in its enforcement and the way it is handled feels borderline hostile to me. I highly doubt any HR department would recommend the Will Riker or Tuvok approach to handling dress code issues within an organization.
 
I highly doubt any HR department would recommend the Will Riker or Tuvok approach to handling dress code issues within an organization.
Well, Tuvok wouldn't cause much trouble, we have no evidence he was practicing double standards. Riker on the other hand would probably go like this:
HR Manager: Commander Riker, we have received a complaint from Ensign Ro Laren claiming you won't respect her right to cultural adornments regarding the Bajoran earring.
Riker: The Starfleet uniform code states no earrings, and on the Enterprise we follow the Uniform Code to the letter.
HR Manager: Do you? Like Lt. Worf who is allowed to wear a non-regulation baldric? Or Chief Miles O'Brien who doesn't wear the correct rank insignia? Or Counselor Deanna Troi who doesn't even wear a uniform.
Riker: Yes well, Ensign Ro is a jackass who needs to be put in her place. The others you mentioned are fine officers. Or whatever the hell O'Brien is this week.
Awkward silence.
HR Manager: Commander, as of tomorrow either Ensign Ro wears the earring, or everyone on you crew really will follow the Uniform Code to the letter, starting with you losing that non-regulation beard.
 
Or alternatively,

HR Manager: Counselor Deanna Troi who doesn't even wear a uniform.
Riker (strokes beard): Hmm, if anyone needs me, I'll be in Holodeck Four.
 
You're forgetting the HR job on the D seems to be done by two people: Commander William T Riker and his Good Friend Councillor Troi. He probably wouldn't have been pushed so hard by those two. ;)

Considering the general ignorance of Bajoran culture in that episode, I suspect Riker just didn't know it had special religious significance and Ro didn't care enough to point out it was allowable.

From Riker's POV it's a health and safety hazard from a disgraced officer trying to be fashionable.

Worf may have had a note from the Klingon Cultural Society explaining some deep personal meaning to his sash we were never privy to.
 
Or Chief Miles O'Brien who doesn't wear the correct rank insignia?
Or whatever the hell O'Brien is this week.
Speaking of O'Brien, in the DS9 ep "Armageddon Game", drops of liquid from a biological weapon dripped onto one of O'Brien's bare forearm. When I saw that, I couldn't help but think: what if O'Brien had worn his sleeves at full arm length? The arms of the uniform may have provided him some protection. Instead he got sick.

On DS9, O'Brien either wears a 3 quarters length sleeve or he has his sleeves scrunched up the way that he did. I can't really tell. It's not a big deal, but he is the only character to wear his uniform arms that way. I don't remember ever seeing him, while on DS9, with his uniform arms at full length. It just seems odd.
 
but he is the only character to wear his uniform arms that way.
Geordi also wears his DS9-variant uniform like that in Generations. Though, it should be noted LeVar Burton was wearing Colm Meaney's exact same uniform in that movie. Actually, Riker also has his DS9 uniform sleeves rolled up in that movie too.
 
It was never explicitly stated but I always got the impression the DS9-style uniform was more of a 'utility' uniform, kind of like a mechanic's overalls. In "Emissary" we see the Starfleet contingent arriving on DS9 in their TNG-style uniforms and later changing into the other uniform. No issue with them rolling up their sleeves, especially LaForge and O'Brien, who are both engineers. Riker just needed a better tailor.

Worf's baldric has always interested me. Obviously in TNG S1 it was identical to those worn on the Klingon TOS uniforms (because it was the same prop), then in S2 he switches to the metal baldric instead. I could buy that the TOS one was maybe an heirloom from an ancestor's time in the KDF, was the other one too? Or did he obtain/replicate a more modern one and decorate it with his family crest (talking of which, why does the crest change from Generations onwards, when it's still mean to represent the House of Mogh - until he joins Martok's house, at least)? Why switch to the heavier, more cumbersome version just after you've been promoted to head of security, when you may be expected to do more running/leaping around? We see it come off or nearly off several times over the years as the villain of the week shows their strength by chucking him around like a rag doll. And why does he continue to wear it over his Klingon uniform in "Redemption" when none of the other Klingons do, yet when he wears a Klingon uniform again in DS9, he doesn't?
 
Maybe it's traditional for Klingon warriors to make their own baldrics. Worf's original one could indeed have been a family heirloom, then he made his own version to honor his house.
 
I think the utility uniforms were used at the discretion of the CO, as the TNG version was considered more formal, Voyager used the utility uniform only, DS9 only changed to the TNG version when they were on earth for any period of time and in generations both variants were in use so I assume that Picard must have allowed both versions to be available.

When it comes to the Marque, since they had no formal starfleet training and were serverly lacking that star fleet discipline I think Tuvok purposefully went to the letter of the regulations just to make a point that they had to conform to starfleet specifications.

With Riker, yes Worf wore his baldric while Ro had to remove her earring we will never really know as maybe he did it for the same reasons as Tuvok even though he would appear to have double standards or maybe it was personal, early Ro was not exactly popular and tended to be rather blunt and probably just rubbed Riker the wrong way.
 
You don't want to get your sleeve snagged in the machinery.

With Worf's sash, it's kind of like ankle weights. Upon wearing them with ease, you switch to the next highest weight. That said, we should have seen him wearing a refrigerator by season 3 of DS9. :klingon:
 
Frakes was wearing Avery Brooks costume in GEN. The decision to "transition" between TNG/DS9 styles was made after filming had already begun and the new costumes designed for GEN were discarded. The costume department had to 'borrow' uniforms from the DS9 cast and only had time to make a few new ones. I believe Spiner and Stewart had either new or custom tailored costumes while everyone else wearing the DS9 outfits had to manage with a jury rigged fit.
 
The costume department had to 'borrow' uniforms from the DS9 cast and only had time to make a few new ones. I believe Spiner and Stewart had either new or custom tailored costumes while everyone else wearing the DS9 outfits had to manage with a jury rigged fit.
Yep. The reason Worf, Crusher and Troi don't wear DS9 uniforms is because there weren't any available that could fit Dorn, McFadden or Sirtis. Ironically, a year later they'd have to make one for Dorn anyway.
 
Turnabout is fair play. When rewatching DS9 season 1 a bit back, something stuck out at me in an episode in which the crew had to get into their dress uniforms--they were borrowing the TNG cast's dress uniforms! Hence Sisko talking about his weight being different from when he's last worn his (he was probably wearing Frakes's) and Bashir having failed to bring his to the station (no male blueshirt in TNG's main cast).
 
Maybe it's traditional for Klingon warriors to make their own baldrics. Worf's original one could indeed have been a family heirloom, then he made his own version to honor his house.
I actually like this idea. I wish there'd been a scene somewhere that explained the heritage of it, rather than 'he wears it because he's a Klingon'.

Frakes was wearing Avery Brooks costume in GEN
Yeah, I know, but I was thinking in-universe. Maybe he moved while the computer was taking his measurements for the new uniform and it made the sleeves too long/short? Rather than sit through it again, he just rolled up his sleeves.

Turnabout is fair play. When rewatching DS9 season 1 a bit back, something stuck out at me in an episode in which the crew had to get into their dress uniforms--they were borrowing the TNG cast's dress uniforms! Hence Sisko talking about his weight being different from when he's last worn his (he was probably wearing Frakes's) and Bashir having failed to bring his to the station (no male blueshirt in TNG's main cast).
Ha, that's great, I never noticed that. And tsk tsk Bashir, forgetting his dress uniform. Obviously used up all of his replicator credits too...
 
Turnabout is fair play. When rewatching DS9 season 1 a bit back, something stuck out at me in an episode in which the crew had to get into their dress uniforms--they were borrowing the TNG cast's dress uniforms! Hence Sisko talking about his weight being different from when he's last worn his (he was probably wearing Frakes's) and Bashir having failed to bring his to the station (no male blueshirt in TNG's main cast).
Wasn't there a similar situation with the dress uniforms on Voyager? Or is it just coincidence they didn't start wearing them until after Insurrection introduced a new design, meaning they didn't have to hang onto the old TNG design for DS9 anymore?
 
Did they wear dress uniforms on VGR? Who the hell in the Delta Quadrant would care how they dressed?
 
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