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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Oh, I forgot one of your questions. The report Mike Bawden will be trying to hawk to the press for the 50th Anniversary is the Fan Film Report his Project Small Access Group produced calling for CBS/Paramount to change the fan film guidelines.
 
Honestly I was happy to see trekzone interview Lane and his small access plan. My 1st though was that this focus group included 1200 facebook posters. I was wondering how many of these 1200 actually produced a Star Trek fan film?
 
Honestly I was happy to see trekzone interview Lane and his small access plan. My 1st though was that this focus group included 1200 facebook posters. I was wondering how many of these 1200 actually produced a Star Trek fan film?
I actually asked Jonathan that question. As far as he knows without looking carefully at his data, no fan producers were part of these surveys. He claims they feel they can't be forthright with their concerns to CBS, which might clamp down on them even more. Which is horsepoo.

And don't be fooled by that 1,200 number. That's how many people are in the Small Access group, not how many participated. No question in the survey received more than a couple hundred responses or so. Sliver of a sliver of a sliver.
 
I actually asked Jonathan that question. As far as he knows without looking carefully at his data, no fan producers were part of these surveys.
I've been credited as producer 10 times in 2016 and no way would I be attracted to that type of group. BTW next time he uses Potemkin as an example, ask him if he has collected data on the ratio of each fan film's view count per fundraiser dollar.
 
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I'll admit I couldn't make it through the whole interview simply as I found Jonathan Lane's position so absurd. I really should go back to it though, just to hear if he tries to justify the fact that they think the crowdfunding limit should be raised (given that from what I read most seemed to find it pretty generous).

At the end of the day, how can he possibly think CBS is going to pay attention when his group's entire reason for being, something he openly admits at the beginning of the interview, is to deprive CBS of income. I don't know the terms and conditions for All Access, but I'd assume the kind of account sharing he's advocating would be a breach of them.

His position that it seems perfectly fine to request more leniency on unofficial productions while depriving legitimate ones of revenue just seems laughable to me. My argument if I was CBS would be that if fans aren't willing to pony up $10 for 4 episodes a month, why the heck do they need more than $50000 for one?
 
My argument if I was CBS would be that if fans aren't willing to pony up $10 for 4 episodes a month, why the heck do they need more than $50000 for one?
Because "real Trek fans" will pay for "real Trek", but CBS isn't making "real Trek" anymore.
 
I actually asked Jonathan that question. As far as he knows without looking carefully at his data, no fan producers were part of these surveys. He claims they feel they can't be forthright with their concerns to CBS, which might clamp down on them even more. Which is horsepoo.
It's flagrantly false in my case. I consider the guidelines (and let's be clear, they are guidelines, not commandments from on high) pretty fair. I am not protesting them because I believe they're fair, and because I believe in the studio's right to decide whatever guidelines they feel like.
 
And now the s**t hits the fan (film). The fight is getting dirtier by the minute. SciFIExpo has used the last weeks to concentrate on hitting STC hard, using YouTube to discredit them and get them into the federal spotlight:

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And that's just the latest.
SciFIExpo (called Joshua Johnson) has stated before " It's weird because in a interview I conducted with Alec in March of 2015, we talk (hi! I'm Joshua, by the way) about the 'three types of fan films'. My version sounded like what the guidelines represent but Alec started to describe the 3 types within the Star Trek fan film culture as it was during the time of the interview. When you listen to the contrasts, you realize that all crowdfunded Star Trek fan film projects were operating similarly and oddly, in some form of competition with each other. After the CBS Star Trek fan film guidelines were released there is one final 'fan film' project that is still in operation after their activities contradicted the guidelines and has refused to answer questions about it's donor practice, as a charity, for now 17 days. A charity not answering donor page questions for as long and evidenced as willfully avoiding the subject of their donor page is alarming and as suggested by the charity watch group affiliated with the BBB as well as the IRS and Federal Trade Commission information concerning charity fraud, their activities had to be reported. Ironically, the CBS Star Trek fan film guidelines actually helped in identifying a fraudulent charity operating inappropriately with the name 'Star Trek' on there." (Comment section of
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So now the hand gloves really come off. I don't know, if he thinks, that'd help the Axanar case. But it sounds much like If Axanar can't play in the sandbox anymore, NO ONE shall play!

Oh boy...
 
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Meyer is spot on.

Indeed he is, but I think the point is, this is coming from a narcissistic nut job (LFIM), directed at the people who are hauling his ass into court (C/P) so it doesn't quite have the same effect.
 
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There's a reason my sig is what it is.
Cuz Doubleohfive is a badass?? Oh... the first line of your signature. ;)

BTW, after listening to those two video commentaries above, my eyes have rolled so much that I can now look at my brain!. :)
 
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...Alec started to describe the 3 types within the Star Trek fan film culture as it was during the time of the interview....

The Axanar podcasts contain amazing outcroppings of abuse, denegration, ridicule, arrogant dismissal of law, and absolute conviction of the right of self-identified truthers to take whatever they want. It is really rich for them to try to characterize "culture" from the place where they choose to express themselves.

Is W&S totally asleep at the wheel now? Lord Alec is just digging himself a deeper and deeper hole.......


Meyer is right - fans are idiots. If fan knew what they wanted then These Are The Voyages would've been the highest rated continuity pr0n ever.

But no. Fan demand one thing and when given that one thing they hate it.

Perhaps better said, "group mind" does not know what is best for it. Any individual fan may rise above it, but the herd has its own way of selecting what voices prevail.
 
That's actually a good question for the lawyers here. Can someone out of state ignore a subpoena? What if it was a financial hardship to travel?
Or a physical one?

Tag, @jespah!
I am recovering from MNY so I kinda haz the dum right now.

But heh a Federal subpoena. Yeah, you don't skip out on those. Unless you enjoy contempt charges.
 
Axanar's switch from "professional Star Trek that is way better than any fan film ever - we aren't a fan film, we are professional grade" to "we stand with the fans and are a fan film that is being persecuted by a big corporation that doesn't understand fans" is self-serving at the very least and a cynical, dishonest manipulation of a subservient and compliant donor base at the very worst.

The court won't be fooled by such obviously fake advocacy - and you can bet your bippy that CBS/P will enjoy revealing ways that AP and Co. manipulated the donors for their own financial benefit.
 
Axanar's switch from "professional Star Trek that is way better than any fan film ever - we aren't a fan film, we are professional grade" to "we stand with the fans and are a fan film that is being persecuted by a big corporation that doesn't understand fans" is self-serving at the very least and a cynical, dishonest manipulation of a subservient and compliant donor base at the very worst.

The court won't be fooled by such obviously fake advocacy - and you can bet your bippy that CBS/P will enjoy revealing ways that AP and Co. manipulated the donors for their own financial benefit.
Thumbs up and extra pie for the bippy reference.
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I'll admit I couldn't make it through the whole interview simply as I found [that] position so absurd.
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His position that it seems perfectly fine to request more leniency on unofficial productions while depriving legitimate ones of revenue just seems laughable to me. My argument if I was CBS would be that if fans aren't willing to pony up $10 for 4 episodes a month, why the heck do they need more than $50000 for one?
Agree


Dear CBS,
If you follow this thread, which is reasonable if you don't of course because you have oh so much more you do in your job,..... but if you do, please know I do not support this defendant or anything I've seen proposed by him or any others speaking on his behalf supporting the ideas and concessions he and others like Jonathan Lane, Mike Bawden, Robert M. Burnett, various Star Trek alumni actors, el al, are pushing you for.
 
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