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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Why the rabid insistence to keep up/keep on fighting the battle of public perception?? At this point, it's already won - LFIM and Axanar have been exposed for what they really are. Further, I doubt there's anything more of substance that can be dredged up independent from the courts.

Keep asking questions, interviewing, digging etc, sure, by all means. Leave out the drama though and let the courts dole that out at trial.
 
In fairness to Matthew - who I believe is a member here - he was quite unfairly treated in my opinion. The resulting non-apology and overall take from the situation left a bad taste in my mouth about how Mr. Hinman runs that page so I elected to leave it. I'm sure he has his reasons for what he did but from what I have seen I just don't agree with his draconian method the other night and was disheartened to see him double down on his own justifications for same. Say what you want about this board, it is at least fairly moderated. -- and I say that as someone who has seen plenty of times where that "fairness" meant I got the punishment for the bad behavior. Long time members will know what I am talking about.

To be fair to Michael, he presented his reasoning in exhaustive detail on the FB group yesterday. But, as I said on one of the other FB groups I also left, "I don't care if I ever get rich or drive a fancy car, but I want to be there when justice comes to Alec Peters and Axanar. It's sad that we have now devolved to attacking our own, and I want nothing to do with that."
 
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I have seen a number of people kicked off that page, and sometimes it has been unfair, but on other occasions it has been just wrong, where the person banned has either simply made a mistake, has been subject to a false accusation or was someone who had previously dared to disagree with Mr. Hinman on something, such as the approach of the group. In all cases any objections have been met swiftly with a stubborn refusal to consider an explanation or different viewpoint.

Mr. Hinman's problem, in my opinion, is that he is not unlike Alec Peters. I will let you draw your own conclusions over what I mean by that. The CBS/Paramount vs Axanar has gone from being an objective group of interested people to an obsessive, belligerent echo chamber, and part of the responsibility for that must lie with how it is run. The original group that it born out of - "I Stand With CBS" - had a very clear intention of standing out as a response to Peters' approach of labeling people haters and banning people, by not doing so. Unfortunately, the subsequent group has morphed into the same things as Peters' groups, and some of it's members seem to have taken the desire to see Alec Peters fall as their own personal crusade. I find that a bit sad. It's an attitude that has put me off engaging in the debate to any extent anymore. While I agree with most of what Mr, Hinman and his troops have to say about Axanar and Peters, it is the method by which they approach it that leaves a lot to be desired, and I think it costs them potential support.
 
It's a cliche, but... Those who fight dragons become dragons.

It's not surprising. The level of censorship that AP's cronies inflicted on their pages, and their intense sensitivity to questioning even of small things here that lead them to isolating themselves from this community caused a huge backlash that was destined to go extreme in the other direction. "Well, you kicked us out of your groups! Why shouldn't we do the same in return?"
 
It's a cliche, but... Those who fight dragons become dragons.

It's not surprising. The level of censorship that AP's cronies inflicted on their pages, and their intense sensitivity to questioning even of small things here that lead them to isolating themselves from this community caused a huge backlash that was destined to go extreme in the other direction. "Well, you kicked us out of your groups! Why shouldn't we do the same in return?"
Sad but true. It is annoying nonetheless given the extent to which members of that FB group have gone to insist that aren't like Peters. Certain personalities have regrettably undermined that, and once you do that you undermine your own credibility in the eyes of neutrals, in my opinion.
 
I have to wonder if this is all a natural product/byproduct of ego then (the desire to see LFIM punished/put in his place being the catalyst)?? Up until now, I viewed that group as a great place to find news/information that perhaps someone on twitter might've missed. I also appreciated the investigative zeal shown by multiple different people, including Michael, Carlos and Matthew.

Everyone had their own approach and brought something unique to the table that helped complete the picture for the rest of us. Why bother with internal pettiness when the whole focus is/was supposed to be on news/information/investigation? If you don't think someone's being questioned 'hard' enough, why not interview him yourself? Yeah, I know, this is the 'slow season' part of the whole process, but the focus should remain on the case and relevant information/facts. Any dramatics should be kept private, between the parties involved and not aired in public.
 
Yup. Albeit it I think this has gotten into more unsavoury territory than it appears on the surface. I've been reading some of the conversations in that group and Mr. Hinman purports to offer a apology for his overreaction. But his apology is weak sauce as he at the same time still maintains his objections were valid. Any (perfectly valid) criticism is met with "if you don't like it, leave the group". So, to me, he isn't really apologising at all. He then goes on to condescend and insult Matthew's integrity, professional and community standing while at the same time promoting the fallacy that he is someone better than Alec Peters for having supposedly "apologised" and allowed Matthew back in his group. Well, he seems to be going to all the lengths he can to push Matthew out without banning him.

Mr. Hinman seems to think that because he is articulate it must mean that everyone else is not as smart. But this isn't the first time he has overreacted on there, although it is the most noteworthy. I don't think he appreciates that people aren't idiots and can see through BS. I don't think he understands just how much damage he has done to the anti-Axanar side and to folks like Carlos, particularly in his stubborn refusal to accept that his accusations towards Matthew are out of order and, frankly, unprofessional. Whether he likes it or not, he's turned himself into the Alec Peters of the anti-Axanar side, and more and more people are seeing that. I find that a real shame.
 
To be fair, both Carlos and Jody have been perfectly fair as moderators/admins on the FB group in question. My distaste and cause for leaving was mainly due to the nearly unilateral decision by Michael to remove Matthew, in the heat of the very contentious moment of misunderstanding between the two and not simply taking a minute to step back and cool off, reconsider, and try to look at the discussion outside of that contentious moment.

I'm sorry to go, there are many great people who are/were a part of the group and its been, mostly, a good source of breaking news on the case. But if this is the means by which Michael chooses to run that group, then I choose to leave.

"You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy. 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie, as wisdom... and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged."
-Picard, The Drumhead

These words take on added meaning for us now.
 
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Getting back on track...........I noticed that Lord Alec's Memory Alpha entry contains wording stating that C/P confirmed they are dropping the suit. It's old, discredited news and has been mentioned as such on the entry's 'talk' page, but the fact it hasn't yet been edited is slightly eyebrow raising..........

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Alec_Peters
 
Since posting the Trekzone piece on here I've had chance to read the threads on the FB group and it's somewhat depressing and I can see where Mr Miller is coming from a little. I have that scene from The Sixth Sense playing in the cinema of my imagination except rather than it being about dead people Cole can see "rude and arrogant people. They don't know they're rude and arrogant..."
 
I don't trust "reporters" who react before they have the whole story. Especially those who overreact and throw tantrums. Come on, seriously, he locked someone out of a Facebook page?

Weak sauce.
Yep - his overreaction was horseshit. It also wasn't the first time he had pulled something stupid, and definitely not the first time he was randomly and inexplicably rude to someone - be they "friend" or "foe."

His behavior was a tipping point for a lot of folks - including myself - who realized how much time and effort they were wasting talking about the subject in several places, thus the exodus.

In my opinion, Hinman should have stepped away from the subject a few months ago, when he found he couldn't maintain an even balance between his control freak nature and the job of maintaining an open, public, freewheeling group.
 
lol these Convention organizers are upping their scheduling game..........

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lol these Convention organizers are upping their scheduling game..........

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Cool model, anyone know who built it?

Is it just me? Don't people find it odd that there are still cons willing to have panels for Axanar considering the ongoing lawsuit, plus the fact that if Peters is on any other panels, he ends up talking about Axanar?

Not a good reputation to bring to any convention, surely?
 
Corporate reports claim the bidding process for all or part of Paramount has been ended. All 50 or so entities have been thanked but no thank you as Paramount will remain under Viacom as before, for now.
This means all fans of Paramount along with fan film and social media productions no longer are required to pick a side in a fight they had little or no knowledge of.
 
Huh. I left the group a few weeks ago (nothing wrong with the group; FB issues on my end resulted in some changes and honestly, there was too much posting and it was eating up too much of my time.)

So I missed all of this. I'm no fan of Alec's and I CRINGED when a special feature on the 50th Anniversary 30 disc set was hosted by him, but there's only so much that can be said. With nothing seemingly happening court-wise, it's just wheel spinning at this point.

I get along just fine with Hinman. He's on the hard-line side as a moderator, more apt to be heavy-handed than not. It's hard to find that right balance; just tough enough to dissuade behavior but not so tough that you drive off people. I've left boards myself where the owners/mods are too hard-ass. Life's too short.
 
Cool model, anyone know who built it?

Is it just me? Don't people find it odd that there are still cons willing to have panels for Axanar considering the ongoing lawsuit, plus the fact that if Peters is on any other panels, he ends up talking about Axanar?

Not a good reputation to bring to any convention, surely?
I'm wondering if there was even a panel to begin with given that Axanar and the fan film guidelines was a banned subject in Vegas. Could Peters be telling porkies?
 
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