Nope.
I do not like MCU films
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Nope.
1970? Or are you referring to the Reeves Superman movies? Because there he was still more symbol than character.
Hell, he killed Zod with a smile on his face in SMII!
Richard Donner's Superman movie is as big a milestone in comic book movies as Star Wars and E.T. are for science fiction movies. Christopher Reeves' performance is one of the best and most memorable in the history of CBMs. And that's not opinion but fact.
Look if you haven't watched it it's fine. But at least don't make up lies about it.
I enjoyed his performance very much, but it doesn't change that Superman's been more a symbol than a character.
Don't give me that "He didn't kill Zod in the Director's Cut!" nonsense, please.
1. Marvel was also making movies before the MCU started. Some of them were even considered 'good.'
3. The pre-Nolan DC movies were as hit and miss as any major IP. Their '38 years of movie history' does include the 1990's.
Why - it's almost like this 80-fucking-years-long DC vs Marvel argument is silly, and we should just judge individual films(/characters/books) on their own merits.
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I don't know.
And then someone says something like this:
I really wonder why that's a thing. The need to tear down something in vain hope it makes something else looks better in comparison. I don't understand it at all.
If you don't think Superman/Clark Kent is a fully fledged character in "Superman: The Movie" then:
(A) You don't know what character means.
(B) You hate everything DC and you are just trolling.
(C) All of the above.
If you're just trolling then just tell me so I won't take you seriously anymore.
Hey, you started the nonsense with the whole "he killed Zod with a smile on his face in SMII" BS.
I agree 100%. In my previous posts I have even mentioned my favorite Marvel movies. Both before and after the MCU. But how many would you say have made movie history? How many will be considered masterpieces after 30-40 years?
Again I agree 100%. For every Richard Donner there is unfortunately a Richard Lester. For every Tim Burton there is a Joel Schumacher. But Donner's Superman, Burton's Batman and Nolan's Dark Knight have made cinematic history. And let's not forget Marvel's movies of the same era:
Spider-Man (1977)
Doctor Strange (1978)
Captain America (1979)
The Punisher (1989)
Captain America (1990)
The Fantastic Four (1994)
Nick Fury (1998)
You're preaching to the choir. Tell it to the "Batman/Superman is not a real character" Disney fanboy.
I was. It was a general expression of exasperation.
I have my own mind and think my own thoughts.
It's there in the film, along with him beating up that Helpless Redneck trucker.
Oh, I know your thoughts:
Everything DC = BAD
Marvel but Not Disney = bad
Disney's Marvel = GOOD
I should have guessed you would identify with the bully.
I wouldn't call it 38 years of history. Donner's Superman is a classic and still holds up really well. It's so good that it has really defined Superman as a character. Reeve's performance, the special effects, the direction, the rest of the cast and especially the score hit the mark and hit it so well that everything associated with Superman afterwards is either playing tribute to it so degree or completely running away from it. Sadly the current films are running away from it.
The Burton Batman films were great at the time, but don't really hold up well. I still love them, but even they have their problems which got hypercharged when He Who Shall Not Be Named took over the franchise. The Nolan films are great, but he probably only got the creative control that he did because the franchise was basically dead when he got it. I love the trilogy, especially Dark Knight Rises. Some of the plot points don't really make much sense when you think about it, but the movies work and all end on an emotional high note. The ending of both Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises are two of my favorite movie endings.
Other than that, DC films really aren't that good. I kind of like Superman Returns, but it's mainly out of love of the Donner films and Kevin Spacey's Luthor. But it's not a great track record. They have really only 4 good movies and a whole lot of shit. It's not a legacy, it's a few hits and a whole lot of misses. I wish the new movies were good, but they aren't. I think they could be with the right people in charge, but it's probably going to be a while before that happens.
I feel that the Tim Burton Batman movies were more Tim Burton movies that just happened to use Batman as a storytelling vehicle.
I also feel similarly about Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.
And as such, they transcended typical, generic summer action movies in their own ways.
...not that there's anything wrong with typical, generic summer action movies.
Kor
I also feel similarly about Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.
And as such, they transcended typical, generic summer action movies in their own ways.
...not that there's anything wrong with typical, generic summer action movies.
Kor
Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it’s a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.
Drop the pretentiousness.
He was helpless, how is HE the bully here? Superman was the one who clobbered a guy who was no threat to him.
Pretty much this.
Why are so many threatened by the new DC Comics movieverse? The media and these fans seemed to have this attitude that Warner Bros and DC Comics have no business trying to attempt their own multi-film saga, just as Marvel and Disney have been doing.
Warners/DCEU have just started on their saga and already people are trying to compare it to MCU/Disney's, who have been doing this for eight years now. Worse, these same fans and journalists have been criticizing the DCEU for not maintaining their saga in the same style as the MCU and with the same tone. DCEU is being criticized for being different and I find that to be something of a joke.
It's now come to the point that the DC Comics films before the DCEU are now being criticized for not being that great. Are we now supposed to believe that all of the Marvel films before the MCU were the greatest cinematic achievements in comic book movies? Because I find that hard to believe.
But you know what? The DCEU movies released so far have been financially successful, despite the backlash. And I've enjoyed them, along with some MCU films as well. Certain fans can bitch and moan about the DCEU all they want. I'm going to form my own judgment about those films and any other comic book movies.
Warners/DCEU have just started on their saga and already people are trying to compare it to MCU/Disney's, who have been doing this for eight years now. Worse, these same fans and journalists have been criticizing the DCEU for not maintaining their saga in the same style as the MCU and with the same tone. DCEU is being criticized for being different and I find that to be something of a joke.
It's now come to the point that the DC Comics films before the DCEU are now being criticized for not being that great. Are we now supposed to believe that all of the Marvel films before the MCU were the greatest cinematic achievements in comic book movies? Because I find that hard to believe.
But you know what? The DCEU movies released so far have been financially successful, despite the backlash. And I've enjoyed them, along with some MCU films as well. Certain fans can bitch and moan about the DCEU all they want. I'm going to form my own judgment about those films and any other comic book movies.