I do not like MCU films

[Awesome Possum]

I disagree.
If anything the characters being "known" is more of a problem, because some people are evidently unwilling to accept anything other than their version of the characters.

No the problem is that the DC films aren't trying to actually have characters. They want logos that engage in action scenes. I've seen MoS and BvS and I still don't know anything about Superman other than the most basic origin story. I don't know "who" he really is when he takes off the cape. The Nolan Batman is different than the comic Batman, but he works well in that story. The DC films treat their heroes like the Transformers, they're really just props for fight scenes and nothing more. They need to feel like actual people and they are failing at that. There's been a thousand variations on Superman, but most of them are at least given some character development.

 

[dahj]

but I still think the characterization is lacking to make Batman or Superman distinct or unique in their presentation.

That's the thing, they aren't really unique in their presentation, they probably fit like 95% into anyone's reasonable expectations of the characters but some people seem to be hyperfocused on how they differ from what they expected to see that they completely ignore the rest.

I've seen MoS and BvS and I still don't know anything about Superman

I guess you weren't paying attention then...

 

[LJones41]

Why does it matter to so many fans on whether Marvel or DC Comics movies are better?

 

[Awesome Possum]

I guess you weren't paying attention then...

It's not my fault the movie is bland and boring.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Why does it matter to so many fans on whether Marvel or DC Comics movies are better?

I have no clue. I want to live in a world with good Marvel and DC movies. I think there is an obsession with the DC films being "mature" and a bunch of fans are clinging to that because they've been mocked for liking stories made for children over the years. The producers claimed that BvS might be too deep for most audiences which is laughable. 6 year olds playing with action figures have created stories with more depth and character development than that mess.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

6 year olds playing with action figures have created stories with more depth and character development than that mess.

True, they are called Disney's Marvel movies.

 

[fireproof78]

That's the thing, they aren't really unique in their presentation, they probably fit like 95% into anyone's reasonable expectations of the characters but some people seem to be hyperfocused on how they differ from what they expected to see that they completely ignore the rest.

But, if they are not unique, then what makes them special? What distinguishes Batman in a way that is meaningful? If he is the avatar for the audience, that is one thing, but BvS, specifically, is predicated upon the idea that he and Superman have philosophical differences. If they are not unique, then it's hard to know why they are fighting.

I'm more focused on who they are as a character and whether or not it makes sense to me. I think that is reasonable.

 

[dahj]

I'm more focused on who they are as a character and whether or not it makes sense to me. I think that is reasonable.

Of course that's reasonable. It's a movie, it doesn't have to work for everyone.

What is not reasonable however, is the attitude of some posters here who insist that because it doesn't work for them it shouldn't work for anyone.

 

[Awesome Possum]

True, they are called Disney's Marvel movies.

They aren't that deep, but they're solidly entertaining and at least have some sort of point or meaning. They aren't trying to be more than that. DC has hasn't come close to either. They're like video games without a story. If you just want to see superheroes punch each other, then keep watching them. But don't delude yourself into thinking they are anything more than action shlock like any other brainless action film. Transformers is doing the exact same thing by having the robots actually rip off each other's faces.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Of course that's reasonable. It's a movie, it doesn't have to work for everyone.

What is not reasonable however, is the attitude of some posters here who insist that because it doesn't work for them it shouldn't work for anyone.

Judging by the reviews and box office totals I'd say they weren't working for most people.

 

[dahj]

Judging by the reviews and box office totals I'd say they weren't working for most people.

Yeah, because 2 billion over 3 movies clearly indicates nobody likes this stuff.

Look, if you need other people to reinforce your hate believe what you will, but hard data is kinda against you on this one...

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

They aren't that deep, but they're solidly entertaining and at least have some sort of point or meaning.

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They're like video games without a story.

Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy is like a video game without story…
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Transformers is doing the exact same thing by having the robots actually rip off each other's faces.

Funny thing is most opinions on this thread compare MCU films to Bayformers… and the Power Rangers… and WWE "wrestling".

Judging by the reviews and box office totals I'd say they weren't working for most people.

The Bayformers have made $4 BILLION with 4 movies. That must make them great movies right?

 

[ancient]

The Bayformers have made $4 BILLION with 4 movies. That must make them great movies right?

Depends. As porn, they are apparently A+ efforts.

 

[fireproof78]

I at least can identify with most of the characters in the MCU, vs. Transformers or Power Rangers.

 

[Awesome Possum]

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/13/13207377128fd71cd6cf7d4b43f27c91b83672698e0c1ab5df16c71d2f60cde4.jpg

Since you aren't very good at this, I'm serious. They're fun entertaining films. I really don't think you understand what I mean when I say the movie is about something other than superheroes. I know some people just want to see capes and fights and that is all they need. I'm not saying they are deep, but there is something more than just fight scenes and capes. I can explain it with pictures if you need me to dumb it down more.

Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy is like a video game without story…
https://koleblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/riiight.png?w=730

So you're going with "I know you are but what am I"? You do understand that you can't build up the DC films by tearing everyone else down, don't you? Why don't you tell why the movies are good instead of saying why everything else sucks? Are you even capable of doing that?

Funny thing is most opinions on this thread compare MCU films to Bayformers… and the Power Rangers… and WWE "wrestling".

People say all kinds of stupid things on the internet.

The Bayformers have made $4 BILLION with 4 movies. That must make them great movies right?

[/QUOTE]No, they're pretty critically reviled, much like the DC films. But people seem to like them. They're certainly doing better than the DC films.

Yeah, because 2 billion over 3 movies clearly indicates nobody likes this stuff.

Look, if you need other people to reinforce your hate believe what you will, but hard data is kinda against you on this one...

They also underperformed what WB expected and the reviews have been widely negative. If the DC movies were good you would be able to defend them on their own merits and not by trying to tear down Marvel. Explain to me why they are good without a single comparison to Marvel Studios.

I've explained why I don't like the films and it has nothing to do with critics or the box office gross. The characters don't connect with me, the director is far more focused on filming cool scenes for the trailers instead of telling a story and a tone that doesn't work with the material. You haven't explained once why the movies were good, just that "Marvel sucks" or they do the exact same thing but people love it. You argue like a child on a playground defending why they like the Go-Bots over Transformers.

 

[dahj]

If the DC movies were good you would be able to defend them on their own merits and not by trying to tear down Marvel.

What the hell are you talking about?
I never said anything against Marvel movies. I like them, incidentally.

 

[Awesome Possum]

What the hell are you talking about?
I never said anything against Marvel movies. I like them, incidentally.

My mistake then.

 

[Mallam]

No the problem is that the DC films aren't trying to actually have characters. They want logos that engage in action scenes.They need to feel like actual people and they are failing at that.

Isn't that the classic DC criticism (re: comics), so in a way they're just being faithful

 

[Anwar]

Problem is, Marvel has been showing that you can have heroes who are more than mere logos/symbols/archetypes and DC just doesn't know how to do that.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Problem is, Marvel has been showing that you can have heroes who are more than mere logos/symbols/archetypes and DC just doesn't know how to do that.

Apparently a little lesson in film history is needed. DC has been doing what you've described 30 years before Disney even started the MCU. We won't wipe out 38 years of movie history because some millennials don't like MOS or BVS.