Rubbish. It was a very well received, exciting, entertaining blockbuster. Are you really saying it was a good box office draw because it was trashy?
The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.
- Thread starter KGator
- Start date
- Status
Rubbish. It was a very well received, exciting, entertaining blockbuster. Are you really saying it was a good box office draw because it was trashy?
The general public won't care about a white Khan or a mirrored death scene but they care enough when a script is stupid and full of plot holes the size of nu1701. Even casual viewers will laugh at the thought of hiding a STARship in an ocean, or hiding your comrades inside live weapons or having characters doing things against their motivations, or having resurrective blood… or… or. Terminator Genisys is another similar visually stunning, fun, action sci-fi movie in recent years that made audiences say "come on, enough already"!
STID is a far superior film to TG.
[QUOTE="My fear is they'll blame the script, when they should be blaming STID."![/QUOTE]
They should blame the script IMHO, there's no depth to it. The story is very simple, with some nice leavening humour, but no depth.
I love STID.
The movie acts as a metaphor for America’s descent into moral ambiguity following the terrorist attacks of 9/11. The hunt for John Harrison is analagous to the search for Bin Laden and the debate about whether to launch photon torpedoes at the Klingon home world is relevant to current debates regarding the morality of drone strikes.
The film concludes with Kirk realising that he lost perspective following the terrorist attack on Starfleet. He then rededicates himself to science and peaceful exploration and begins the famous five year mission, to explore strange new worlds and to seek out new life. The title “Into Darkness” refers to the moral state of American foreign policy following 9/11 (fear, vengeance, anger, and violence) and the final scenes state that it’s time row back from this.
For me, Beyond had some cool 'sploshions and stuff, but no real story and all the depth of a paddling pool. I still liked the film, and will watch it ad-nauseum - probably buy the Franklin special edition and I certainly didn't hate it. Check out Wil Wheaton's crushering review on Beyond if you like to read contrary opinions.
They should blame the script IMHO, there's no depth to it. The story is very simple, with some nice leavening humour, but no depth.
I love STID.
The movie acts as a metaphor for America’s descent into moral ambiguity following the terrorist attacks of 9/11. The hunt for John Harrison is analagous to the search for Bin Laden and the debate about whether to launch photon torpedoes at the Klingon home world is relevant to current debates regarding the morality of drone strikes.
The film concludes with Kirk realising that he lost perspective following the terrorist attack on Starfleet. He then rededicates himself to science and peaceful exploration and begins the famous five year mission, to explore strange new worlds and to seek out new life. The title “Into Darkness” refers to the moral state of American foreign policy following 9/11 (fear, vengeance, anger, and violence) and the final scenes state that it’s time row back from this.
For me, Beyond had some cool 'sploshions and stuff, but no real story and all the depth of a paddling pool. I still liked the film, and will watch it ad-nauseum - probably buy the Franklin special edition and I certainly didn't hate it. Check out Wil Wheaton's crushering review on Beyond if you like to read contrary opinions.
Star Trek Beyond has plenty of story and a lot more depth. And it was executed a lot better than in STID's plot holed filled script IMO. Beyond's theme is about conflict, separatism and unity. As Pegg himself said: “We wanted to address the idea of collectivism and the importance of unity – on a macro scale and micro scale: the idea of the Federation and the idea of the crew as a collective – and Krall being a force which thinks that is not the right way to go. It’s about separatism, and about conflict, and about maintaining war, because that’s where heroes are born, heroes aren’t born in peace time. And that’s a very current idea, you know, we have people who are constantly trying to drag our society into conflict. We have people who want to drag us apart, you know, we’ve just been through that back at home with Brexit. You have Trump talking about building walls between countries. It’s like, this is madness, we should be coming together,the most important thing is that we put aside our differences and find a way to work together. That’s what this film is about.”
And a couple reviews:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/26/12280432/star-trek-beyond-review-kirk-krall
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-beyond-spoiler-review/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...eyond-is-smart-funny-sci-fi-action-adventure/
STID scored $57 million in China. Let's hope that +160% percent will apply to the total box office as well.
9.3 million is over half what STID made in Latin America!
My breakdown of Beyond Box office and it's success:
After the lowered expectations and disappointment of the overall initial box office, the new expectations appear to be on course for being met.
At the $166 million mark, many were predicting failure for Beyond. I gave the possibilities as this: Around the $200 million mark I predicted the USA would hit $150-155 million, that the rest of the world--minus China-- would need to hit $100 million and could (at that point it was still to be released in 21 markets so that seemed realistic) comfortably sit at about $250 million before the last 13 releases in Sept (minus Japan) including China. Then the box office total of these foreign releases would only need $50 million to hit the $300 million base that I now considered to be the minimum needed for Beyond to look respectable and eventually become profitable through secondary means.
As of this afternoon, Beyond sat at $92,800,000+ foreign...about $7 million away from where I suggested it needed to be, and domestically was slightly over the $150 million mark, bringing it to just under $245 million.
This weekend, with the film returning to IMAX 3D and getting a slight bump for Labor Day in the USA (indeed, Beyond had it's first, ever-so-slight increase from Wednesday to Thurs since it's release today) and only losing 75 theaters out of 1277, I believe it will expand from $2.3 million to possibly $4million+. Foreign will be $10-12 million with releases in Brazil and other markets, and China needs to contribute $25-30 million(STID opened with $25.5). Bringing the total to $285 million+...the good news is:
China Box Office estimates Beyond brought in $9.3 million, 160% over STID on Friday, and CFI estimates Beyond will make $105 million for it's run. This would bring the total up to $365 million (without any other box office results at all) and another $10 million or so from Japan in October. Those are ST09 type numbers.
Now since we don't know exactly how much Paramount needs to make Beyond "profitable", and the 2x BO number is just a general figure and often unreliable, as well as the fact that Paramount did not spend the full $185 million budget on their own (in fact HuaHua is also paying for all the distribution and marketing in China) we can't be sure just counting box office, but we DO know Beyond will be an unqualified success and profitable.
Secondary markets are where Hollywood makes most of it's money...
Disc sales, streaming, airing rights, etc. ST09 made $200 million in disc sales alone, STID, $85 million and now digital sales are poised to pick up the slack in the generally slower disc sale market. Other factors also contribute to make all $100 million+ blockbusters earn much more than initial box office over time.
The top digital movies of 2013:
http://investor.rentrak.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=825897
https://stephenfollows.com/how-movies-make-money-hollywood-blockbusters/
Hollywood's Profits, Demystified:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...t/2005/08/hollywoods_profits_demystified.html
So aside from a likely box office of $370-380 million. Beyond has turned it around to be a big success for Paramount, and with Discovery already turning a profit before it is even filmed, Trek looks to keep going for a long time to come.
RAMA
After the lowered expectations and disappointment of the overall initial box office, the new expectations appear to be on course for being met.
At the $166 million mark, many were predicting failure for Beyond. I gave the possibilities as this: Around the $200 million mark I predicted the USA would hit $150-155 million, that the rest of the world--minus China-- would need to hit $100 million and could (at that point it was still to be released in 21 markets so that seemed realistic) comfortably sit at about $250 million before the last 13 releases in Sept (minus Japan) including China. Then the box office total of these foreign releases would only need $50 million to hit the $300 million base that I now considered to be the minimum needed for Beyond to look respectable and eventually become profitable through secondary means.
As of this afternoon, Beyond sat at $92,800,000+ foreign...about $7 million away from where I suggested it needed to be, and domestically was slightly over the $150 million mark, bringing it to just under $245 million.
This weekend, with the film returning to IMAX 3D and getting a slight bump for Labor Day in the USA (indeed, Beyond had it's first, ever-so-slight increase from Wednesday to Thurs since it's release today) and only losing 75 theaters out of 1277, I believe it will expand from $2.3 million to possibly $4million+. Foreign will be $10-12 million with releases in Brazil and other markets, and China needs to contribute $25-30 million(STID opened with $25.5). Bringing the total to $285 million+...the good news is:
China Box Office estimates Beyond brought in $9.3 million, 160% over STID on Friday, and CFI estimates Beyond will make $105 million for it's run. This would bring the total up to $365 million (without any other box office results at all) and another $10 million or so from Japan in October. Those are ST09 type numbers.
Now since we don't know exactly how much Paramount needs to make Beyond "profitable", and the 2x BO number is just a general figure and often unreliable, as well as the fact that Paramount did not spend the full $185 million budget on their own (in fact HuaHua is also paying for all the distribution and marketing in China) we can't be sure just counting box office, but we DO know Beyond will be an unqualified success and profitable.
Secondary markets are where Hollywood makes most of it's money...
Disc sales, streaming, airing rights, etc. ST09 made $200 million in disc sales alone, STID, $85 million and now digital sales are poised to pick up the slack in the generally slower disc sale market. Other factors also contribute to make all $100 million+ blockbusters earn much more than initial box office over time.
The top digital movies of 2013:
http://investor.rentrak.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=825897
https://stephenfollows.com/how-movies-make-money-hollywood-blockbusters/
Hollywood's Profits, Demystified:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...t/2005/08/hollywoods_profits_demystified.html
So aside from a likely box office of $370-380 million. Beyond has turned it around to be a big success for Paramount, and with Discovery already turning a profit before it is even filmed, Trek looks to keep going for a long time to come.
RAMA
Last edited:
The glass is half full! 
The critics, and general audiences that bother voting at IMDB, RT, and MC, would seem to agree. They must have missed the memo that they're not supposed to like STID anymore.
I personally liked all three of the new movies pretty much equally. They all had their own strengths and weaknesses. Kinda like comparing TWOK and TVH.
Last edited:
Well yes, because the numbers say so.The glass is half full!
If a friend of mine from work wants to go, I will see it an unprecedented 4th time in the theaters! I have never seen any movie more than three times in theaters. I saw Star Trek: Into Darkness twice and The Force Awakens three times. And I saw Beyond three times and am considering seeing it a fourth time. I see new things I didn't see before.
I'm glad to see China is liking it. I hope they keep liking it. And Brazil, I hope you guys like it too!
I'm glad to see China is liking it. I hope they keep liking it. And Brazil, I hope you guys like it too!
My record before STID was 2.. I saw STID 4 times, twice in IMAX 3D. I saw Beyond 3 times.
RAMA
RAMA
Beyond is easily set to break the franchise record set by STID of $25.5 million, with $21.8 million after 2 days.
https://twitter.com/ChinaBoxOffice/...hinaBoxOffice/status/772098372765376512/photo
Star Trek Beyond took in Almost $.4 million on Thursday sneak peek, making the Thurs/Fri total $9.7 million.
https://twitter.com/ChinaBoxOffice/...hinaBoxOffice/status/772098372765376512/photo
Star Trek Beyond took in Almost $.4 million on Thursday sneak peek, making the Thurs/Fri total $9.7 million.
My breakdown of Beyond Box office and it's success:
After the lowered expectations and disappointment of the overall initial box office, the new expectations appear to be on course for being met.
At the $166 million mark, many were predicting failure for Beyond. I gave the possibilities as this: Around the $200 million mark I predicted the USA would hit $150-155 million, that the rest of the world--minus China-- would need to hit $100 million and could (at that point it was still to be released in 21 markets so that seemed realistic) comfortably sit at about $250 million before the last 13 releases in Sept (minus Japan) including China. Then the box office total of these foreign releases would only need $50 million to hit the $300 million base that I now considered to be the minimum needed for Beyond to look respectable and eventually become profitable through secondary means.
As of this afternoon, Beyond sat at $92,800,000+ foreign...about $7 million away from where I suggested it needed to be, and domestically was slightly over the $150 million mark, bringing it to just under $245 million.
This weekend, with the film returning to IMAX 3D and getting a slight bump for Labor Day in the USA (indeed, Beyond had it's first, ever-so-slight increase from Wednesday to Thurs since it's release today) and only losing 75 theaters out of 1277, I believe it will expand from $2.3 million to possibly $4million+. Foreign will be $10-12 million with releases in Brazil and other markets, and China needs to contribute $25-30 million(STID opened with $25.5). Bringing the total to $285 million+...the good news is:
China Box Office estimates Beyond brought in $9.3 million, 160% over STID on Friday, and CFI estimates Beyond will make $105 million for it's run. This would bring the total up to $365 million (without any other box office results at all) and another $10 million or so from Japan in October. Those are ST09 type numbers.
Now since we don't know exactly how much Paramount needs to make Beyond "profitable", and the 2x BO number is just a general figure and often unreliable, as well as the fact that Paramount did not spend the full $185 million budget on their own (in fact HuaHua is also paying for all the distribution and marketing in China) we can't be sure just counting box office, but we DO know Beyond will be an unqualified success and profitable.
Secondary markets are where Hollywood makes most of it's money...
Disc sales, streaming, airing rights, etc. ST09 made $200 million in disc sales alone, STID, $85 million and now digital sales are poised to pick up the slack in the generally slower disc sale market. Other factors also contribute to make all $100 million+ blockbusters earn much more than initial box office over time.
The top digital movies of 2013:
http://investor.rentrak.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=825897
https://stephenfollows.com/how-movies-make-money-hollywood-blockbusters/
Hollywood's Profits, Demystified:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...t/2005/08/hollywoods_profits_demystified.html
So aside from a likely box office of $370-380 million. Beyond has turned it around to be a big success for Paramount, and with Discovery already turning a profit before it is even filmed, Trek looks to keep going for a long time to come.
RAMA
Last edited:
I already have it at around $370-380 million, a shade under ST09, but of course Beyond has to meet the CFI projection of $105 million to do so.
RAMA
Beyond 4- day weekend was slightly less than I expected, but a slight increase from last week in fewer theaters. Est: $2.4 3-day, $3.2 million 4-day. total: $155 million. This is the first weekend Beyond surpassed STID in it's domestic run.
China later today, but after sitting at almost $22 million I'd expect it to be between $27-30 for the weekend.
BoxOffice @BoxOffice 9m9 minutes ago
STAR TREK BEYOND makes an estimated $2.45M 3-day weekend, actually up 8.3%, for $154.29M total through seven weekends. #StarTrekBeyond
RAMA
China later today, but after sitting at almost $22 million I'd expect it to be between $27-30 for the weekend.
BoxOffice @BoxOffice 9m9 minutes ago
STAR TREK BEYOND makes an estimated $2.45M 3-day weekend, actually up 8.3%, for $154.29M total through seven weekends. #StarTrekBeyond
RAMA
Last edited:
Beyond enters the China market in first place, with a $30.1 million take.
China Box Office @ChinaBoxOffice 5m5 minutes ago
STAR TREK BEYOND debuted in 1st place this weekend with est. ￥207M ($30.1M) @StarTrekMovie
China Box Office @ChinaBoxOffice 5m5 minutes ago
STAR TREK BEYOND debuted in 1st place this weekend with est. ￥207M ($30.1M) @StarTrekMovie
- Status
