The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.
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Star Trek Beyond is the First Star Trek movie since First Contact (where I was too young) which I didn't saw in Cinemas. In fact I haven't seen this movie to this day.
Everyone says it's better than the first two Kelvin movies. But that's not really a Bar that ignites excitement within me. And from anything else I saw and heard this movie looks bland and generic as hell
I certainly would have watched it if I or my friends had any time for it. But the novie was on nobodies priority list, and there were much better alternatives. Which is sad, since Trek is ultimately my favourite Franchise...
Believe me I understand your feelings. I had exactly the same reservations. But in the end it is almost a crime to have endured the abysmal Into Darkness in cinemas and not watch Beyond. It is indeed much much better than its two predecessors. And at least in its heart STB has some semblance of a TOS story. The Galileo Seven, The Omega Glory or Bread and Circuses quickly come to mind. If it is still in cinemas near you I suggest you give it a chance. My 0.2 cents.
Oh HELL No. Orci and Kurtzmans scripts are my biggest issues with the las two movies. The one thing that made me at least somewhat excited about Beyond was the change of the guard.
But in the end the final result just looked like the previous two movies, so I just couldn't get excited for it.
Because I have better things to do...?
I also didn't bother with X-Men Apocalypse this year, even though I rather enjoyed the first two new timeline movies, because it looked so bland and unexciting to me. I go to the movies rather often (way more regular than the average citizen at least). But I can't see EVERY movie. I pick out what looks interesting to me, or what I can watch with family and friends. I,m not going to see a movie solely because I loved the original IP it rebooted.
And I will definitely only see a handfull of Blockbusters in cinemas a year. To See them I need to be interested in them, they either need to stand out for me or get recommended by someone whose taste I trust in. Beyond did neither.
I will definitely catch it once I can rent it though.
I just find your viewpoint very strange as a Star Trek fan. I wasn't a fan of the first trailer, and frankly feared that the movie was going to be a let down but I was very eager to see what they came up with for this third instalment. There was no question I was not going to be there on opening night to see it.
Star Trek Beyond is the First Star Trek movie since First Contact (where I was too young) which I didn't saw in Cinemas. In fact I haven't seen this movie to this day.
Everyone says it's better than the first two Kelvin movies. But that's not really a Bar that ignites excitement within me. And from anything else I saw and heard this movie looks bland and generic as hell
That's a shame. I think it's the best trek film since TUC.
STID will have impacted the box office - people let down by that mess just didn't think this would be any better.
This is the first trek film since First Contact that I've seen twice at the cinema.
So have you seen it, or not? How can you know what the final result is like until you've seen it?
But it honestly didn't look just like the previous two movies. It borrows a bit from the look of the first two, but in the end it's a very different looking movie. It's shot digitally, lit differently, no lens flares, the space shots are probably the best of the three movies (not just in terms of technological advancement, but also composition), and finally the writing and performances. The writers nailed the characters, the actors nailed the performances (mind you the cast has always been amazing but I found the character dialogue of the first two movies to be satisfactory at best). It's my favorite of the 3 films. It's a near perfect marriage of the classic and new timeline. I imagine if Doug and Simon had another month to really work on the script, it could have been even better...but as it stands, I think they knocked it out of the park.
I have seen all the trailers, I have seen one or two clips, and I have read some reviews and seen comments here on trekbbs. I don't know the whole final result of course, but I think I can pretty accuratly predict wether or not I'm interested in this movie. It's right on the edge. If it had arisen by chance I would have gladly watched Beyond. But as it is, I didn't actively pursue going to see it, and as of now it just didn't happened.
I will finally definetely see it, as soon as I can see it at home (legally), and maybe I will even get positively surprised by it. But with everything I know about it, I just couldn't get excited enough about the movie to actively seek it out.
I will finally definetely see it, as soon as I can see it at home (legally), and maybe I will even get positively surprised by it. But with everything I know about it, I just couldn't get excited enough about the movie to actively seek it out.
Beyond is being released in Brazil today. Poor marketing (some TV spot, only one interview with cast and Lin on TV). Brazilian trekkers are helping to divulgate it on social networks. But we are excited. Suicide Squad box office has weakened, the other movies are no match for Beyond. Many people seem interested in watching Star Trek. All reviews here are positive. I'm optimistic.
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which misrepresented the tone of the film as they were aimed at the average viewer
which may well have misrepresented the tone of the film as they were aimed at the average viewer
If you liked STID, you probably wouldn't like this. If you hated TUC, you'd probably hate this.
What would have been a premise for the movie that excited you enough to see it?
Wrong. While I like Into Darkness more, I quite enjoyed Beyond. I'd wager my house there are more like me than not.
@Paul Weaver: Exactly wrong!
I liked Trek09 well enough even though it had problems. Into Darkness is pretty much the reason I lost interest in the new Kelvin-timeline movies. It felt like seen-before-done-before, only less interesting. And Beyond looks exactly like that: A proper Sequel to Into Darkness. Only with cosmetical changes, but overall the same type of movie.
That's the real interesting question, isn't it?
I don't think it comes down to premise, it's the execution that is flawed. If you compare Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Star Trek Into Darkness you have pretty much the same premise: A conspiracy thriller with political commentary, with a rampaging genetical engineered badguy (the Winter Soldier/Khan), a big conspiracy within the own organization, ultimately an old white guy with political goals behind it (Admiral Marcus/Robert Redford), ending with giant flying aircraft carriers/starships crashing down in the harbour next to the Federation/S.H.I.E.L.D headquarter. The difference is: One of them has exciting action, interesting and complex characters, enough funny and goofy quips that aren't out of place, has weight and consequences to it's story and character arcs, and has a general message and themes about security vs. individuality and the modern war on terror that are both current and timeless, and is generally one of my favourite blockbuster of recent years. The other one has Star Trek in it's title.
What bothered me about Beyond was:
- I see the new movies primarily as action movies. And the action looks BORING. Compare it to the above mentioned CA:WS, or this years' Captain America: Civil War, the action in the new Star Trek movies seems rather harmless and inconsequential
- There weren't any actors or characters to get excited about. While I do like the cast, I have already seen them in two movies, and I have noticed I like the cast themselves much more than the characters they are portraying. I'm a BIG fan of Idris Elba, and Sofia Boutella has won me over with Kingsman. Making both of them unrecognizable under heavy make-up and give them one-note characters didn't do the film any favors
- The make-up is straight up awfully bad, and unworthy of a 2016 blockbuster, especially Krull and Jaylah. Enterprise had better looking and more unique aliens
- The alien planet looks terribly boring, more like any other "planet rocks" from a cheap tv-episode, instead of "strange, new worlds" that need a cinema screen to portray
- The space battles look terribly one-sided and unexciting. Not much "fighting", tactic or interesting cat-and-mouse games, just quick cuts, explosions and "getting pummeled"
But mostly it comes down to one major flaw:
There was nothing new or exciting in the trailers. We have seen everything before, everything looks like a second-rate remake of an idea that we have already seen multiple times and with better execution. We have seen the swarm in an episode of "Voyager". We have seen beter "reptile aliens". We have seen the destruction of the Enterprise multiple times, hell it was toyed with in the promotional material of the last movie. None of the new characters seem very interesting, and everything feels old, a big rehash of warmed-up ideas without adding anything new, fresh or exciting about them.
To all of this I have to make one BIG exception: Yorktown starbase looks awesome! But one interesting looking special effect is just not enough to convince me to go see a movie.
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I just wanted to add: Here is one movie I will definetly check out this year: Denis Villeneuve’s "Arrival". I haven't read the book, but the execution of it's premise - a first contact with aliens - looks amazing! I wouldn't have minded if a new direction of the Star Trek movies would be a bit more high-concept and a bit less Roland Emmerich. Why not try to adapt some interesting sci-fi short stories within the Star Trek universe? Make it Isaac Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke with quips and explosions. Star Trek is amazingly versatile, and I think "completely inhuman aliens" would work much better as antagonists/the central plot point rather than just another "angry dude with a grudge", like we have in literally every comicbook movie ever.
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Nailed it! Beyond is the complete antithesis of Into Darkness! The script process for STID was "let's come up with some 'cool' scenes and then build a story around them". The script process for STB was "let's come up with an interesting story and then add exciting scenes around it".
Into Darkness almost made me lose interest in the whole Trek franchise. Not even Enterprise managed that! I was close on selling my 40 year Trek collection on eBay after I returned from the cinema.
Only Beyond is not the parody remake of a previous Trek film. And yet Into Darkness is more successful. Go figure!
Into Darkness was only more successfull than Trek09 internationally. Domestically (which is better comparable), the Kevlin timeline movies are constantly declining.
Ironically I don't even think the quality of the movies is the reason for that. It's the long waiting periods between. After Trek09 everything felt fresh, and everything was excited. Then we had to wait four years. And after that we weren't greeted with a master piece, but Into Darkness. Which was entertaining enough, but didn't leave a mark on anybody. Then we had to wait three years again. And the result looks again like a bland, generic rehash.
People don't realize that, but the reboot isn't "new" anymore. We got the entirety of the Marvel cinematic universe since Kelvin-Trek launched! The entire face of popculture entertainment and the modern blockbuster itself have changed during that time. The Kelvin Trek-movies operate under assumptions that look incredible dated by now, as if they were fallen out of a time where the biggest competition was "the incredible Hulk", or "GI Joe: Rise of the Cobra".
Ironically I don't even think the quality of the movies is the reason for that. It's the long waiting periods between. After Trek09 everything felt fresh, and everything was excited. Then we had to wait four years. And after that we weren't greeted with a master piece, but Into Darkness. Which was entertaining enough, but didn't leave a mark on anybody. Then we had to wait three years again. And the result looks again like a bland, generic rehash.
People don't realize that, but the reboot isn't "new" anymore. We got the entirety of the Marvel cinematic universe since Kelvin-Trek launched! The entire face of popculture entertainment and the modern blockbuster itself have changed during that time. The Kelvin Trek-movies operate under assumptions that look incredible dated by now, as if they were fallen out of a time where the biggest competition was "the incredible Hulk", or "GI Joe: Rise of the Cobra".
It's a busy year, with both Marvel and DC in full swing, so it will have suffered because of that. However many people are like Rahul, and although they saw STID (once), they didn't like it, so aren't seeing this, and that's a shame. If we had had this instead of Trek 12 things would have been so much better.
By all means critisize STID, but don't criticise Beyond because of a couple of trailers - if we based reviews on trailers Independence Day 2 would have been brilliant.
By all means critisize STID, but don't criticise Beyond because of a couple of trailers - if we based reviews on trailers Independence Day 2 would have been brilliant.
I think most will back me up on this, but Jaylah is pretty awesome, I wouldn't call her "one-note"
Both my partner and I liked ID and Beyond (I prefer Beyond, she prefers ID). I will never understand the depth of the rage some feel toward ID.
TUC is probably a fair comparison though, both in themes and the lighthearted tone.
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