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Why The Huge Gap Between TMP & WOK?

How then does a writer who made the change deliberately distinguish themselves (without saying so in an author's note for every instance)

The same way any capable writer handles exposition. If you know that a word is being used in an unconventional way, then you know that someone in your audience will catch it, so you'd bloody well better include something in-story to explain why it's being used differently. There are plenty of ways to incorporate such exposition into a story organically. So if it isn't there, that implies that the creators didn't realize it was being used unconventionally.

Besides, we've had a half-century of Star Trek in which characters have consistently used the English language in the same way that contemporary audiences used it (profanity aside). If they had made a deliberate choice to establish that one word had changed its meaning over the centuries, then presumably they would've done so with other words as well. But they didn't. There were other SF shows that did make a conscious effort to establish a futuristic or alien vocabulary for their characters -- e.g. the future soldier's slang in Harlan Ellison's Outer Limits episode "Soldier," or the Colonial vocabulary in the original Battlestar Galactica -- but ST has always used ordinary 20th/21st-century English aside from added terms for new technologies. So it just doesn't wash to claim that they'd choose to "evolve the meaning" of exactly one word and no others. Especially when the meaning they used for "flagship" isn't futuristic at all, just present-day civilian vernacular.
 
Changing the meaning of a word is just something that happens with time, new speakers of the language and their various misinterpretations and misuses. Just because a word/phrase means something to us now, doesn't mean it means the same thing later.

Yes, but in a fictional organization that has flag officers, ships, and ships used as flagships in the naval sense, it seems like that word would be at least as useful in its original sense as otherwise.

The fact that people have been debating this for over 20 years now is an indication that the choice of words was problematic.
 
It is interesting how much more in shape everyone was in TMP. Hell, Doohan in the 70's SHOULD have been a Bruce Campbell style action hero. His beard could have battled Jeff Bridges.

I understand Shatner worked pretty hard to get in shape for TMP. They had mini skirt skirts in TOS to show off Nichols and Whitney's legs. They wore short sleeves in TMP to show off Shatner's arms.

That's another reason why TMP seems so far from TWOK. Everyone LOOKS 10 years older. (Hey look! TOPIC!)

(BTW, I'd love to see some digital trickery done where Spock looks the same age in TMP and TWOK as he did in TOS.)
 
(BTW, I'd love to see some digital trickery done where Spock looks the same age in TMP and TWOK as he did in TOS.)

I used to pretend that Spock looked pretty much the same in those films as he had in TOS, but that when he was reborn on Genesis, his rapid aging overshot the mark, and that's why he looked older. Really, though, his rapid maturation should've left his skin completely smooth and unlined, because wrinkles and age spots and the like aren't a genetically pre-programmed thing, they're the result of decades of wear and sun exposure.
 
Really, though, his rapid maturation should've left his skin completely smooth and unlined, because wrinkles and age spots and the like aren't a genetically pre-programmed thing, they're the result of decades of wear and sun exposure.
You mean the rapid aging from a magical process should have behaved in a particular way? No. The process was magical. There's no "should" about it. It could behave in any way that was required by the story, and it did. It was already doing things that it "shouldn't" have done, if it were to make sense. There was no science behind it, only technobabble.
 
When I first saw the past sequence in All Good Things I thought, how is it that the oldest cast member held up the best? It was only 7 years. Riker had to be limited to re-used Encounter at Farpoint scenes due to more than his beard.
Heh, my friends and I used to wonder back in the day if Frakes and Dorn were having a contest to see who could put on the most weight.
 
Heh, my friends and I used to wonder back in the day if Frakes and Dorn were having a contest to see who could put on the most weight.
Lol, at least with Worf they just adjusted his shoulder pads and he looked more formidable. When Dorn lost the weight in Ds9, the shoulder pads go away completely or almost completely.
 
I used to pretend that Spock looked pretty much the same in those films as he had in TOS, but that when he was reborn on Genesis, his rapid aging overshot the mark, and that's why he looked older. Really, though, his rapid maturation should've left his skin completely smooth and unlined, because wrinkles and age spots and the like aren't a genetically pre-programmed thing, they're the result of decades of wear and sun exposure.
Yes! I thought the same thing. He breezed through his new youth, had sex 5 days after coming back to life. What could possibly have caused those worry lines.
 
I remember seeing Marina Sirtis at a con during TNG's run when a little boy asked her why Riker was getting fat. Without missing a beat she answered (with obvious glee) "BECAUSE HE EATS TOO MUCH!"
 
I remember seeing Marina Sirtis at a con during TNG's run when a little boy asked her why Riker was getting fat. Without missing a beat she answered (with obvious glee) "BECAUSE HE EATS TOO MUCH!"

How does she come up with that stuff?
 
I remember seeing Marina Sirtis at a con during TNG's run when a little boy asked her why Riker was getting fat. Without missing a beat she answered (with obvious glee) "BECAUSE HE EATS TOO MUCH!"
I reckon it was during season three when they switched to the more forgiving costumes. Frakes realised he didn't need to bother trying to stay in shape. Not that he looks bad during the rest of TNG, but he did noticeably fill out from the first two seasons.

Still, he looks pretty good in Insurrection when the beard comes off, and that was just over a decade since Encounter at Farpoint.
 
I reckon it was during season three when they switched to the more forgiving costumes. Frakes realised he didn't need to bother trying to stay in shape. Not that he looks bad during the rest of TNG, but he did noticeably fill out from the first two seasons.

Still, he looks pretty good in Insurrection when the beard comes off, and that was just over a decade since Encounter at Farpoint.
That's what I thought too, but the reason I read for the new costumes was that Data hurt his back pretty badly and needed to wear a brace for a time, and the brace would have been visible in the old Lycra. Not sure if that's true or a smoke screen for Riker gaining. In the first few eps of season 3 the new uniforms weren't finalized yet, they had vertical visible seems in the front and were fitted much tighter making everyone except Picard look bulkier. Then they opened them up a bit and they looked great on everyone. The women still had more fitted one-piece but at least they weren't lycra. All the secondary players wore the old lycra ones, some retrofitted with the newer collar.
I also read an interview with Frakes in the early 90's where he stated that he detests physical exercise. I thought, noooooo. you?
 
Everything I read about why they got rid of the lycra for the leads was that Patrick Stewart began having back problems because the lycra had been cut vertically, and the stirrups on the pants were pulling on his heels. They got rid of the vertical lycra, put the main crew in woven fabrics, then put all the minor guests in horizontal lycra that emphasized girth because of how it gave. The costume designers had a small nightmare putting people in complementary costuming on that show.
 
Stewart said in the Captains' Summit extra in the blu-ray boxed set of TOS movies (I watched it the other night--just got the set) that his chiropractor told him the suit would cripple him if they kept him in it. Hence the change (Frakes expressed appreciation for the change).
 
I remember when asked about the new costumes (right after the change) Stewart said his favorite thing was that "they don't hurt anymore."
 
Yeah, they had to be made a couple of sizes too small to stay in shape, which put pressure on the actors' shoulders. They also stank horrendously after a couple of washes and wears under those hot studio lights. No one was sorry to see them go.
 
I recall watching TSFS in the theater, and noting reborn Spock's rapid aging.
I offered "Too bad they can't stop it before he hits fifty."
 
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