It is?
Why The Huge Gap Between TMP & WOK?
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It is?
But the issue is that that's the civilian usage of the term, and it clashes with the different use that applies in a naval organization. So it comes off as a failure of research on the writers' part, no matter how much you try to handwave it after the fact.
Fair enough, although, IMHO, this is making a mountain out of a molehill, at best.
Isn't the issue here about how the average, civilian audience member would understand it at home? It seems to me they gauged it about right.
So playing to "the audience is dumb" which is the opposite of what Roddenberry initially aspired to with Trek.
Not at all, rather playing to how the general audience understands things. I've always understood it in the civilian sense and I'm educated to PhD level. Simplicity doesn't necessarily mean dumb.
It's very easy to explain new things to the general audience. It's not like the general audience in 1966 already knew what a phaser or a transporter was, or the general audience in 1987 already knew what a holodeck or a replicator was. The terms needed to be defined, and "flagship" in the naval sense could've been just as easily defined. Dumbing a story down isn't just about underestimating what the audience already knows -- it's about underestimating their ability to learn new things.
He's got it.
IMO, dumbing things down is for example resorting to technobabble as a cure all or deus ex machina if you will.
When I was young I hated how they portrayed Kirk in TMP not being able to let go, and then him saying, eh, it's a game for the young in WOK. I thought it's so weird and inconsistent. Then I got older and thought, yeah, men do that as they age.
But he wasn't letting go in TWOK. And all of his friends knew it. It's probably about how he acted right before the Vejur emergency.
Changing the meaning of a word is just something that happens with time, new speakers of the language and their various misinterpretations and misuses. Just because a word/phrase means something to us now, doesn't mean it means the same thing later.
early to mid-40's and late 40's are like night and day. Not just aging in terms of wrinkles, but changes to one's basic shape (regardless of fitness), voice changes, etc. Can one still act
No he didn't let go or give up. That's what makes Jim Kirk a hero
As I just said a few posts back, and in other threads before, the fact that something can be handwaved afterward by the fans doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake on the creators' part. The whole point of criticizing a work of fiction is to recognize it as a work of fiction and to assess the shortcomings in the process of its creation. It's of no use otherwise, because creators only become better by recognizing our flaws and striving to improve.
I'm currently in the latter age range myself, and I don't think I've changed that much between the two. I've got somewhat more gray hair, I need bifocals, and I've put on a bit more weight, but that's about it in terms of outward change. As for my voice, it may have gotten a little reedier, but I'm not sure. So it depends on the individual. Some people age more gradually than others.
How then does a writer who made the change deliberately distinguish themselves (without saying so in an author's note for every instance)
Look at David Tennant from his last episode of Doctor Who to Day of the Doctor. 40s are rough.
I'm kind of pissed that I was planning my big day of watching TWOK when I turned 50. Now I have to do it when I turn 49?!?
It does depend on the individual. Good genes (even better if resequenced) and taking care of oneself can help stave it off for a while. I represent the Scotty's.
Indeed. I thought Tennant would stay young longer being a beanpole. He wrinkled like someone who eats cake and candy everyday (me).Look at David Tennant from his last episode of Doctor Who to Day of the Doctor. 40s are rough.
I'm kind of pissed that I was planning my big day of watching TWOK when I turned 50. Now I have to do it when I turn 49?!?
It does depend on the individual. Good genes (even better if resequenced) and taking care of oneself can help stave it off for a while. I represent the Scotty's.
I've been in my mid forties since I turned 19.
When I first saw the past sequence in All Good Things I thought, how is it that the oldest cast member held up the best? It was only 7 years. Riker had to be limited to re-used Encounter at Farpoint scenes due to more than his beard.
