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Poll Dryson Array vs. Dyson Sphere

Is a Dryson Array a better choice in harvesting and converting energy into electricity?

  • Yes - Explain answer

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • No - Explain your answer

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Total voters
    6
I never bought into the technological singularity. This, and a lot of hype about nano-technology made people disrespect the value of heavy industry. 3D printing is fine, but subtractive manufacturing will always be needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machining

3D Printing is able to be used for numerous manufacturing processes. NASA has even created the first 3D Printed rocket motor that had a successful test under the same conditions as traditional rocket motors.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshal...-to-building-a-3-d-printed-rocket-engine.html

Machining parts to within one millionth of a centimeter could be achieved by 3D printing as well. But there would still be some machining processes that 3D Printing would not be able to perform.

Being able to rapidly manufacture smaller structural supporter members from lightweight materials harvested from the asteroids around the Gas Giant would be the job of the 3D Printing facilities. Manufacturing the larger structural main members would be the job of facilities on Earth, the Moon and Mars using traditional processes.
 
It really seems to me that something like harnessing the storm energies and electromagnetic fields of gas giants to produce power would be a *prerequisite* for getting started in building a Dyson Sphere. So my answer is, I guess, that one part of the poll question isn't relevant to the other.

Why would you want to build a Dyson Swarm around a sun expending valuable mineral resources doing so when you could new technology like Invisible Wood that captures up to 30% more sunlight than a traditional solar cell does?

The Dryson TEG Array would have facilities dedicated to the Invisible Wood Solar Power Generator Array that would augment the electrical power consumption of the Dryson TEG Array as well as providing back up electrical to other systems when sections of the array went offline for maintenance or renovation or new add sections.
 
You realize that your "invisible wood" is not solar converter by itself? It merely allows %30 more light than glass to penetrate to the solar cell it would be mounted to.

You should try actually reading the articles you link to.
 
If you are a Type 2 or 3 civilization and have reached the Singularity I think that such a civilization would have found a way to use the Singularity to generate electrical power rendering a Dyson Swarm rather obsolete.

You do understand the singularity I'm referring to, correct?
 
You do understand the singularity I'm referring to, correct?
Trying to collapse a sun to a point in being able to harvest the energy from the singularity without actually causing the sun to collapse into a blackhole.
 
The event in which computer intelligence surpasses human intelligence, and has the strategic advantage.
 
The event in which computer intelligence surpasses human intelligence, and has the strategic advantage.

I have many on Ignored but anyway.

Artificial Intelligence would never surpass human intelligence because humans wold never give them the ability to reason for the purpose of greed and control.
 
When comparing a Dryson TEG Array to a Dyson Swarm or Sphere the Dryson TEG Array provides the following advanced benefits.

1.Solarization - Similar to globalization but space based.
2.Safety - A sun could have flare ups that would damage or destroy the Dyson array where a gas giant would not.
3.Locality - central location means easier access to out lying areas of space.
4.Work - A civilization needs to perform goal orientated tasks to expand the civilizations influence from a planet into space. Being able to safely and quickly gather resources and process them into manufactured goods is the most important aspect of solarization.

What might a Dryson TEG Array look like?

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The main array would also serve as the main production and manufacturing facilities for the civilization. The smaller circular sections would be the processing and manufacturing centers where the roids would be brought in from the rings.
Because of the smaller size of the gas giant compared to a sun, less material would be used in building a Dryson TEG compared to a Dyson Swarm.
The extra material saved would be then used to build other moon based and ring based facilities and networks from.
 
It was only a question. Why don't you publish or patent your inventions rather than post them to a BB for a scifi TV series?
 
I have many on Ignored but anyway.

Artificial Intelligence would never surpass human intelligence because humans wold never give them the ability to reason for the purpose of greed and control.

If it can be done, it will be done. "Superintelligence", by Nick Bostrom, covers the why, the how, and the many problems of control. Drier than a textbook, but informative.
 
The Wikipedia article for Bostrom's book has the following synopsis:

It is unknown whether human-level artificial intelligence will arrive in a matter of years, later this century, or not until future centuries. Regardless of the initial timescale, once human-level machine intelligence is developed, a "superintelligent" system that "greatly exceeds the cognitive performance of humans in virtually all domains of interest" would follow surprisingly quickly, possibly even instantaneously. Such a superintelligence would be difficult to control or restrain.

While the ultimate goals of superintelligences can vary greatly, a functional superintelligence will spontaneously generate, as natural subgoals, "instrumental goals" such as self-preservation and goal-content integrity, cognitive enhancement, and resource acquisition. For example, an agent whose sole final goal is to solve the Riemann hypothesis (a famous unsolved, mathematical conjecture) could create, and act upon, a subgoal of transforming the entire Earth into some form of computronium (hypothetical "programmable matter") to assist in the calculation. The superintelligence would proactively resist any outside attempts to turn the superintelligence off or otherwise prevent its subgoal completion. In order to prevent such an existential catastrophe, it might be necessary to successfully solve the "AI control problem" for the first superintelligence. The solution might involve instilling the superintelligence with goals that are compatible with human survival and well-being. Solving the control problem is surprisingly difficult because most goals, when translated into machine-implementable code, lead to unforeseen and undesirable consequences.

Instilling Asimov's laws might be a naive solution but it is unlikely that these are being implemented in any current systems, especially ones with military applications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics#Applications_to_future_technology

It's not a trivial problem.
 
Back to the initial question raised by Mr. Dryson: in the pursuit of efficiency, societies look for ways to do more with less—we want less gasoline to travel farther—and this is true of electrical consumption. We want to operate all the electrical devices in our homes, but we also want cheap utility rates, thus our generation of electricity becomes more efficient and cheaper, and our appliances are designed better to use less electricity. I see a future where our electric needs are less and sustainable through less expensive means of generation.

Space borne vehicles and platforms create a lot waste heat that is dumped overboard with radiators. It's an easy leap to conclude that a TEG could turn that heat into more heat causing electricity, but a TEG requires a cold element to do its thing, and that would require a heat generating heat exchanger or other refrigeration system, and you've introduced more heat to get rid off. A TEG isn't the answer to our problems, otherwise we'd be burning coal and oil in the damn things. They may be great in a pinch at the campsite, but the city is going to need to spin loops of copper wrapped around a magnet by whatever means available because that tried and true method produces the most with the least work—in the sense of physics, not labor.

It's like hydrogen fuel cells: you use electricity to crack the hydrogen out of water, just to mix them again to generate electricity. You can't get the same amount of electrical output because of energy lost to you from the process. There is always going to be energy than can't be recouped (even sound noise is energy lost) and efforts will as always to reduce the amount of energy lost in the pursuit of cheaper, less input, more output.

I think too, science fiction seems to ignore economic feasibility. There must be a trade of value. Even if workers are only being paid in amounts of food, water, and oxygen to replace calories lost due to labor, those necessities must be produced. Some agency must trade value for value. Large structures seem incomprehensibly expensive, especially when you think of it in terms of food.
 
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