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Strongest Power
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The Dominion is on the other side of the galaxy and effectively cut off from the Alpha Quadrant.
Romulus is blowed up.
The Klingons, Sloane said, would be licking their wounds for a while, leaving the Federation and the Romulans up top. They probably overdid it, living for that war shit, and having nearly conquered Cardassia in "Way of the Warrior" before the Dominion war began.
Cardassia was nearly conquered by the Klingons, then suffered losing-side losses as they pulled back all the way to Cardassia Prime. Where they started fighting among each other, some joining the Feds. And where the Founder began mass extermination of the general population. All in all, they're nowhere near even the Klingons.
SPCTRE, that particular species of Galactic Bird hit the endangered species list in 1991, and has been dwindling in strength ever since. Of course, other similar species remain the strongest powers in the Trek universe, but we're talking more likely strengths of local powers, post ST:09.
The Children of Tama (benign background players) or the Tholian Assembly (their fleet is one of the few in pristine condition) I think become much more powerful in the wake of all this, though I don't how how smart it'd be for them to try anything with the Klingons or Romulans.
That's not really true, and not really relevant either. If they made it through the wormhole once, there's no reason whatsoever to believe they couldn't do it again in the future, unless you assume Prophet Sisko won't allow it. Either way, they are still powerful, even if their power doesn't happen to be in the AQ (which hasn't really been a requirement for this discussion, anyway).
The Dominion cut through alot of Federation territory and conquered major planetary centres but I don't remember them occupying any world in Klingon space.
Also Klingon Bippity Bops were pretty well insulated from a lot of the Jem Hadar kit that made Starfleet ships sitting ducks, so it seems to me the Klingons were pretteee well placed to me.
Also Klingon Bippity Bops were pretty well insulated from a lot of the Jem Hadar kit that made Starfleet ships sitting ducks, so it seems to me the Klingons were pretteee well placed to me.
The Dominion don't count as a local power, specifically. Though the *majority of their fleet remained untouched, they're on the other end of the galaxy, like the Borg. They can come back (maybe there's even a massive fleet taking the long way here that'll arrive in 70 years), but Sisko, Odo, and another minefield if need be are keeping them on their end.
*I wonder if in sending all those ships through the wormhole (initially to occupy Cardassia, then that second fleet that the Prophets disappeared) if local powers took the opportunity to attack the Dominion, or state uprisings. We have no idea what other powers are nearby. Local Krenim? Local Metrons?
Terrans aren't the only ones to employ biological weapons. Tain planned to scorch the Founders' homeworld and nearly got the same for Cardassia. It may be Odo alone that kept them from responding as poetically to human DNA. What's that human phrase? Mutually Assured Destruction?
Of course the Dominion counts as a local power. It takes less time to travel from Bajor to the Dominion than it does to travel from Bajor to the other end of the Federation.
The fact that there are theoretically ways to stop that travel is irrelevant, because there are theoretically ways to screw up other empires' ability to travel, as well. Not to mention, the possibilities you list are not exactly highly reliable. Odo is just one guy using personal influence. Sisko may or may not even be in the Celestial Temple. And the minefield technology was already defeated once.
On top of all that: this thread isn't about 'local' powers, specifically, anyway. The (extra-galactic) Kelvans have already been mentioned several times, as well as several of the delta quadrant races.
^ Yeah, thanks, I'm aware, as my list is the most extensive in this thread. It includes the Kelvans, and I've asked where others would place Delta Quadrant powers as well, and no one chose to brave an answer.
I add the emphasis on local power because it's in answer to my question about who the #2 guys are now that "the Dominion is cut off."
How about conjecturing an answer?
I add the emphasis on local power because it's in answer to my question about who the #2 guys are now that "the Dominion is cut off."
How about conjecturing an answer?
Well, looking back through your posts I'm honestly not sure who you're saying is Number 1, but if you want my best guess at an AQ only post nemesis list, it would probably be:
1 Federation
2 Klingon
3 Breen
4 Ferengi
Then everyone else. The Klingons and Federation would both be much weaker than they used to be, but there aren't a lot of significant options that I know for other major powers. I suppose maybe the Tholians should fit in there somewhere, but I always got the impression they were just some tiny little pocket with relatively impressive technology. The Breen seem to be the only significant AQ power that escaped the Dominion War with few consequences (did anyone ever even find out where their homeworld is?). The Romulans probably still exist, but I can't imagine their empire truly withstanding the loss of the entire Romulus system. The Cardassian Union is probably still mostly occupied and is definitely far smaller than it used to be. The Ferengi seemingly slip into the rankings purely by virtue of having a reasonably sized terrtiroy and not much competition left.
There are some others out there - book or tas races, some of which have been name dropped on the shows (For instance, Tzenkethi), but I don't have nearly enough information to guess what power level those are.
Just ranking the ones the OP ranked)
1. Borg
2. Dominion
3/4. Federation/Romulans (In TNG they always seemed like the co-super powers running that half of the galaxy, ala the US and Soviet Union in the 80's. There was never any indication that they were less technologically advanced than the Federation, and their economy always seemed strong. Someone said that the Romulans would have conquered the Klingons if they could've, but I would actually say that it's the other way around. The Klingons would devour as much as they could get away with, whereas the Romulans have always had an isolationist streak. Their interventions in others affairs come from paranoia and thusly wanting to keep the balance of power in their favor to protect themselves, i.e driving the Federation and Klingons apart.)
5. Klingon Empire
6. Cardassian Empire (both the Klingons and Cardassians seem like they put all their resources into military, so they have strong weapons but are otherwise technologically primitive in comparison to the Federation/Romulans on things like engines, sensors, and shields, and have crummy economies. Klingons are ahead since they beat the Cardassians when they fought)
We don't really hear enough about the Breen/Tholians to really rank them, but they could be on the level of the Federation/Romulans, with the Tholians possibly being a little higher. Both are of course very isolationist which is why they are rarely heard of, so they don't have the "superpower" status of the Federation and Romulans.
1. Borg
2. Dominion
3/4. Federation/Romulans (In TNG they always seemed like the co-super powers running that half of the galaxy, ala the US and Soviet Union in the 80's. There was never any indication that they were less technologically advanced than the Federation, and their economy always seemed strong. Someone said that the Romulans would have conquered the Klingons if they could've, but I would actually say that it's the other way around. The Klingons would devour as much as they could get away with, whereas the Romulans have always had an isolationist streak. Their interventions in others affairs come from paranoia and thusly wanting to keep the balance of power in their favor to protect themselves, i.e driving the Federation and Klingons apart.)
5. Klingon Empire
6. Cardassian Empire (both the Klingons and Cardassians seem like they put all their resources into military, so they have strong weapons but are otherwise technologically primitive in comparison to the Federation/Romulans on things like engines, sensors, and shields, and have crummy economies. Klingons are ahead since they beat the Cardassians when they fought)
We don't really hear enough about the Breen/Tholians to really rank them, but they could be on the level of the Federation/Romulans, with the Tholians possibly being a little higher. Both are of course very isolationist which is why they are rarely heard of, so they don't have the "superpower" status of the Federation and Romulans.
dont forget the Ferengi. With their financial understanding they can beat every economical system, even the Borg :-)
There's even more DQ powers than "local" powers. I have some ideas and could make a list, but most of it would be complete conjecture. The top ones would be what were in my earlier post. Borg, Voth, Void aliens. The Swarm would be next, and after that it gets more crowded. I guess Devore would round out the top five.
But that was an alternate timeline. Who's to say what else may or may not have been different due to no treaty in terms of tech/etc. Federation may not have advanced as much due to the war or whatever. Many things could be the cause of the Federation losing the war in that timeline.
So you really can't use it as a standard to compare them. If you look at DS 9 more than one Klingon thought a war with the federation would be a loss..Worf among one of em. That's a more valid comparison than what we saw in Yesterdays Enterprise, because it didn't have such variables that YE did.
They have magic (aka, technobabble) on their side. There's nothing their magic can't overcome.
I always got the impression that the Romulans were slightly more powerful than the Federation.
For me it would go
Dominion
Romulans
Federation
Klingons
Cardassians
For me it would go
Dominion
Romulans
Federation
Klingons
Cardassians
That is a difficult comparison to make, as history has shown us, aggressive but on-paper weaker powers have beaten stronger ones very many times. Instant example the almost instant fall of France in WW2, as with France, maybe the Feds only started fighting when they'd already lost?
You know, in the Last Outpost Data mentions that the D'Kora is comparable to the Galaxy class of starships as far as power and capabilities go. The Ferengi seemed to pump them out, as we never see them piloting anything else except a surplus bird of prey. Starfleet doesn't seem to have many Galaxies at its disposal. Maybe the Ferengi are on part with the Federation but choose to profit off of war rather than participate (though individuals are not above piracy). I know Quark ranted about how hewmons are so bloodthirsty compared to Ferengi.
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