Precisely, though I'm sure there were plenty of those types hanging around the Academy.
Why The Huge Gap Between TMP & WOK?
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Precisely, though I'm sure there were plenty of those types hanging around the Academy.
This makes a lot of sense. We can also see this quality with Ensign Chekov, Lt. Kevin Riley, and Lt. Bailey in TOS. Glenn Greenberg wrote a nice story in the Marvel Comics Star Trek: The Untold Voyages #5 (which took place between TMP and TWOK) where at the end Kirk takes the job at the Academy specifically to counter the myths about him that are already starting to crop up. He sees the need for it after
one young officer trying to emulate Kirk leads to disaster.
To be fair, the Okuda's did preface their book with a piece basically explaining their policy on conjecture and how it isn't meant to be taken as definitive. And an astonishing amount of the book's entries have the tag 'Conjecture' next to them, making them suspect.
The fault lies mainly in the fandom choosing to take things like the conjecture about character's birthdays etc as a source, which then got perpetuated as the literal truth in the absence of anything saying otherwise. 'Fanon' became 'Canon' almost by accident.
I actually think the Chronology (and the Encyclopedia) have a lot to answer for when it comes to creating these myths.
I'm of the view that if it doesn't appear on-screen, it doesn't count.
Naturally this leaves several of the characters without a back story, but I'd rather they be blank slates character-wise than have mere 'conjecture' be the guide.
In regards to the Romulan Ale thing, it has been noted before here that, and I quote, "It's an ale!", meaning it's essentially Romulan beer. To humans it's a potent spirit, but it's what the Romulans drink in quantity after a hard day's work while sitting at the bar with friends or watching the game on Sunday.
My point being, if it's a type of beer, the newer the better. I remember one set of ads for some beer or other about a decade ago hyping the fact that it was marketed "fresh" to the end user at every possible venue.
At least that's my take on it.
My point being, if it's a type of beer, the newer the better. I remember one set of ads for some beer or other about a decade ago hyping the fact that it was marketed "fresh" to the end user at every possible venue.
At least that's my take on it.
That's usually the case.
I had an idea so I made a trip to a book shop to have a look. The recently published Autobiography of James T Kirk has this to say on the matters post TMP (this is a pretty rough précis): Kirk says, and I quote, 'after our second 5YM ended', Kirk then decides to resign from Starfleet rather than be promoted again, he travels and moves onto a farm before eventually going back prior to WOK! I know it's not strictly canon but where does the official autobiography fit?
Does this mean that you can resign from Starfleet and be reintegrated at will?
Seemed to have worked for Spock and McCoy seeing where each of them were at the beginning of TMP.
Not to mention Wesley (as we can see him in Nemesis in Starfleet uniform.).
And Kirk himself with Antonia. Didn't Sisko take a leave for awhile? Seems to be a pretty common thing.
You're right about Sisko. How did I forget about that? They weren't even sure he was ever coming back. (He took his baseball with him)
Speaking of weird flag officer/ captain duty switches, Sisko's a brand new Captain commanding entire fleets of starships like an Admiral.
True! Maybe it's because of his status as emissary of the prophets that gives him some clout.... After all that's a unique position among the Bajorans.
Among the Bajorans being the key phrase - it was meaningless to the Starfleet and Federation personnel. Considering the general attitude towards religion in Trek I can only imagine Sisko's Messianic predilections are a big joke everywhere not called DS9.
That's true. But I think they need him in order to keep good relations with the Bajoran people. Imagine, to the Bajorans he's even more important than their Kai.
Yeah.
If they'd taken a more realistic tack post TMP, Admiral Kirk might have commanded his own formation out on the frontier, like say a flotilla or squadron, including one or two capital ships like the Enterprise, which itself would likely have been the flagship, and maybe a few science vessels and other support craft. Heck, Sulu and maybe one or two of the other TOS bridge crew could have been captains of their own ships in it. That could have shown realistic progression in ranks and Kirk doing what he does best, being in command while facing the unknown, while still keeping the other familiar faces in the action.
Sounds good to me.
True, but I can't imagine that would be why they'd put fleets of ships under the command of one newly promoted Captain. Seems to me to be just another glitch is Star Treks rankings. If they'd started Sisko as a Captain and then promoted him to Admiral it would have fit better in canon (weren't all deep space station commanders Commodore's in TOS?) and make more sense why he was in charge of the fleets.
I agree, that would have been a great way to go. Unfortunately Trek has always been trapped in a "status quo" 60's attitude where everything has to be reset to the familiar by the end of the episode / movie. Something even the modern movies have suffered from., let alone VOY/ENT. From Fuller's talk of watching his main character advance through the ranks hopefully this is a thing of the past.
I'd have gladly traded SFS, TVH, TFF for the movie(s) you propose. TWOK and TUC would still have worked in that context.
Yes, you're right.
