If so, sounds like a good thing to me.
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I don't have some personal agenda based on inequality or anything like. And I'm not stuck in the Dark Ages either.
Needless change which has totally put me off this comic.If so, sounds like a good thing to me.
Necessary change has totally made me interested in this comic.
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What necessary change?????Necessary change has totally made me interested in this comic.
It's necessary for our stories to better reflect the makeup of our society - makes for better, less limiting storytelling.
I wouldn't. I'm trying not to get too much spoilers, but I heard that Tilda is playing an Ancient One, not the Ancient One. As in there is more than one, which isn't too bad, I think.
Sorry I seem to be picking on your posts. Yours just had the best quotes.
That's a bit of an extreme situation, but I would want the best actor. I would, however, be in favor of an actor of one race playing a character of another race, because that's what actors do, play someone else. That's why I liked the Klingons so much, they could hire black actors, white actors, anyone really, the're all Klingons in that make up. And I reject notions that a certain character must be played by an actor of the same race. I don't think any of those actors are Klingons, or super strong, or any of the things they play. Mike Colter doesn't really have bullet proof skin.
Now with comics, there is no actor not to hire, it's just lines on a page. If a team is all one race and they keep it that way, it doesn't deny any opportunities to anyone. Movies have actual people playing the parts. I would never tell Idris Elba he can't be Heimdall because he's black, that's just crazy. I wasn't overjoyed at the "announcement" of said casting, but he's great, no complaints. Same thing with just about all of the casting. The Fan4tic movie didn't suck because of who's playing Johnny, I actually thought he was the best cast actor of the 4. It was just a bad movie.
So changing a comic character's race, in a comic, seems unnecessary at best, stupid at worst. If there is a true desire to have more characters from another race, why not make more new characters from other races. I don't think anyone is arguing against new things, it's taking an old existing, known quantity and distorting it, at whim.
Or Roland of Gilead, right?
It's unnecessary at worst, and inspired at best.
Think about it: You could continue with the same-old, same-old. But changing a character would, at worst, feel unnecessary. It doesn't have to be (it isn't for me, and many others like me, but obviously for some - e.g. see thread above - it is). But the potential benefits of changing some characters, so as to better reflect our society, offers far more character and story-telling opportunities than blindly maintaining a decades-old status quo.
Furthermore, what's the argument for maintaining the status quo? Merely "that's how it was in the past?" In the past we had Jim Crowe laws. Was that argument any reason to keep them around? If we were to start fresh today, would we start with the (misguidedly idealized) norms of the past, or the realities of today? I'd much rather reflect the realities of today.
These characters were created in an age where both the creators and the audience were white males. Because that is where the buying power was believed to be. Now adays these companies realize there is money in females and minorities. And the best way to draw in those markets is to give them characters they can identify with. That is the true root of diversifying characters.
And from an artistic standpoint, adding a black or latino or female character can lead to different stories than a white character, simply because of their differences from a white character. Unless you've got a poor write who will write them all generically, no matter what they look like.
And from an artistic standpoint, adding a black or latino or female character can lead to different stories than a white character, simply because of their differences from a white character. Unless you've got a poor write who will write them all generically, no matter what they look like.
So how many female characters are there as major players in Future Quest? I realize we keep talking about this in terms of just The Impossibles, but maybe this wasn't specifically about them and was simply about wanting another woman in the cast of comic. Based of off the covers and previews there are only two other girls or women in the cast, the girl in blue and yellow, and the woman from Herculoids. So maybe they looked and the easiest way to get another female character in was to add her to the Incredibles.
And personally I'd land the white guy with the proper look and allocate budget money for an acting coach.
Where would I get the money? Simple, I'd save it by not hiring the most award winning actor in Hollywood who could demand a king's ransom for starring in my movie. Instead of Tom Brady I get a rookie QB I can work with.
Actually, there's Jan from Space Ghost, Gravity Girl from the Galaxy Trio, Tara from the Herculoids, Jezebel Jade from Jonny Quest and a new character working with Birdman, so that's pretty much every female character that's ever appeared in the other cartoons plus an extra.
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Why not? It's not like nobody in Hollywood has ever done it and it's not like it's never worked out. How do you think guys like John Cena and LeBron James get work? Lynda Carter got to play Wonder Woman solely because she was a beauty queen who looked the part, and it's obvious she spent the first half of the first season of the show just learning how to act, yet who's the first person who comes to mind when you think of live-action WW? She was a newbie who ended up owning the part.
This is done all the time. When comedians get sitcoms and football players get action shows and fashion models get parts in franchises, studios are taking bets that the extra time and money spent teaching them to hit a mark and say a line without stuttering will pay off in actual production, and often times it does. The only things that would keep me from picking the guy who looks the part in the scenario you described would be impatience and desperation, and if I'm either impatient or desperate or both, then the production has a lot more problems than who gets the lead.
Ebony White, The Spirit's pal, circa 1940
Same character, circa 2007
Lois Lane, circa 1950
Same character, circa 1990
And a favorite of mine, Susan Storm, aka The Invisible Woman
Circa 1960
Same character, circa 2000 (click for the larger image)
Any question?
Just one: do you realize this isn't the kind of change S.Gallagher is protesting?Ebony White, The Spirit's pal, circa 1940
Same character, circa 2007
Lois Lane, circa 1950
Same character, circa 1990
And a favorite of mine, Susan Storm, aka The Invisible Woman
Circa 1960
Same character, circa 2000 (click for the larger image)
Any question?
Yes, all of the above are great examples of necessary change, but here's the thing: Ebony White is still a black male kid. Sue Richards and Lois Lane are still white women, and all three characters derived from the source material. Nobody was added, nobody's race changed. As stated over and over again, S's problem with the modern take on the Impossibles is an addition and a race change.
If you could explain why those changes were necessary, it would be appreciated.
I have to list all the super-groups that changed their roster in these years..?
Nick Fury, Marvel Universe
Nick Fury, Ultimate Universe.
Define "necessary".
I'm not saying it can't work out sometimes, but it's still a safer bet to go with a sure thing over a question mark. Especially if that sure thing is going to be someone who can draw in a lot bigger audience.
And one thing I realize I wasn't real clear about, is I'm talking about a headliner for a major franchise starter for Marvel or DC here. I doubt very much that a a-list studio would want to trust one of their top tier characters to someone who is a proven horrible actor. The people you are talking about are people who haven't acted before, I mean someone who's been acting for years, but is just bad, an actor who has set the records for the most Razzie awards. Someone who no amount of acting lessons can help.
And Megan Fox still gets work. What's your point?
And you're right, you didn't say anything about Marvel or DC. You asked what I would do and I told you. That said, how do you know who Marvel or DC would or wouldn't cast? Right now, DC's basing an entire franchise movie on an actress whose sole experience up to this point has been hanging off of fast moving cars and looking pouty-lipped.
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Just the ones that there was a point to...
Nick Fury, Marvel Universe
Nick Fury, Ultimate Universe.
Define "necessary".
As in the race change brought something new and unique to the story and wasn't just for PC purposes, as in the change to Fury in the comics (which was my example, many posts ago. Nobody reads upthread any more.) There's no evidence that the changes to the Impossibles will bring that kind of benefit.
Are you comparing a comics book published in the 2016 with a 60's cartoon? Different medium, different era, different audience? What does "benefit" mean in a similar context?
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