DC Comics is doing new versions of The Flintstones, Johnny Quest, Scooby Doo, Wacky Races
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Two women?!? These pesky SJWs!!!
Yes, I realise that the artists and writers tend to be self-employed freelancers, but I imagine the women being harassed were actually employees who worried about their jobs if they complained.
I'm having trouble connecting the dots here. Are the guidelines you talked about in the prior posts about the creative ones or the code of conduct? I see little connection between a creative decision to add new female characters and the reprehensible behavior of male editor towards a female employee.
Because when I say I want my favorite characters brought to life on the big screen I'd actually like them to look like my favorite characters and not just emote properly?
Whatever, man.And I never said I don't take things on a case by case basis. Just that I know what I want to see.
And there are plenty of representative characters already in comics that can be highlighted without race or gender switching.
No, there aren't nearly enough of them to be truly representative of society. That's actually, like, totally, the whole point. Like, y'know?
Lulz:
So which is it? Absolute fidelity to "the actual fucking comics [you] read as a kid" - over potential superior casting, actors, writing and so on - or an actual rethinking of those characters and how best to portray them to best represent today's society, to take advantage of superior casting, acting, and writing?
And thus you've illustrated the biggest problem with you holier-than-thou progressive types. You think diversity is about numbers. It's not. One character like Black Panther getting his own movie or Luke Cage getting his own series - characters who started out as Black - does more for the cause of diversity than any ten characters you might switch from white to non-white on some crusade excused by [symphony music] ACTING! And there are more than enough non-white characters in comics to make that kind of statement.
In fact, if diversity were really a priority at Marvel Comics, they would be doing this version of Captain Marvel:
With Monica Rambeau, they would have a black woman playing a signature character and avoid having a character with an origin similar to Green Lantern, which the creators claim is some kind of problem. They would also be the first studio ever to feature a black female superhero in her own film. Yay real progress!
But they're not doing Monica Rambeau...they're just using Carol Danvers so they could cast White Girl Flavor of the Month Brie Larson, because a movie studio's ultimate priority is profit, not diversity. Their adding switched race or gender minor characters doesn't prove otherwise.
So, you're incapable of keeping two concepts in your head at the same time? That's okay. That comes with age and practice.
It is not a zero-sum game. I know what I want to see in comic book movies. I also know the only way I can guarantee I'll see it is to make the movies myself, which I'm not in a position to do, so I take what I can get. This doesn't mean I have to stop wanting to see what I want, or stop calling for what I want. It only means that I have to accept I won't always get it, and embrace it when I actually do.
And there we have it. The ad hominem. Stay classy, Admiral2. Stay classy.
Lulz. This is an ignorant, prejudiced, and backwards-thinking statement. It's also not true when discussing true representation of the diversity of society.
So yes, when the numbers are so categorically underrepresented, it *is* a numbers game. This is not a flaw to my argument. It's a feature. The demographics of comics, and movies, must continue to change to be more representative. The status quo is fundamentally not representative. Therefore, the point remains: Writing, acting, directing, storytelling, art ... which include characters that best represent society, mind you - these are all far more important, to me, than absolute (conservative and short-sighted) fidelity to what those characters' race, genders, religions, sexual orientations, etc. once were.
And thus you've illustrated the biggest problem with you holier-than-thou progressive types. You think diversity is about numbers. It's not. One character like Black Panther getting his own movie or Luke Cage getting his own series - characters who started out as Black - does more for the cause of diversity than any ten characters you might switch from white to non-white on some crusade excused by [symphony music] ACTING! And there are more than enough non-white characters in comics to make that kind of statement.
In fact, if diversity were really a priority at Marvel Comics, they would be doing this version of Captain Marvel:
With Monica Rambeau, they would have a black woman playing a signature character and avoid having a character with an origin similar to Green Lantern, which the creators claim is some kind of problem. They would also be the first studio ever to feature a black female superhero in her own film. Yay real progress!
But they're not doing Monica Rambeau...they're just using Carol Danvers so they could cast White Girl Flavor of the Month Brie Larson, because a movie studio's ultimate priority is profit, not diversity. Their adding switched race or gender minor characters doesn't prove otherwise.
So, you're incapable of keeping two concepts in your head at the same time? That's okay. That comes with age and practice.
It is not a zero-sum game. I know what I want to see in comic book movies. I also know the only way I can guarantee I'll see it is to make the movies myself, which I'm not in a position to do, so I take what I can get. This doesn't mean I have to stop wanting to see what I want, or stop calling for what I want. It only means that I have to accept I won't always get it, and embrace it when I actually do.
Again - so true!
Why should fans have series, etc., changed just to suit some PC agenda?????And there we have it. The ad hominem. Stay classy, Admiral2. Stay classy.
Lulz. This is an ignorant, prejudiced, and backwards-thinking statement. It's also not true when discussing true representation of the diversity of society.
So yes, when the numbers are so categorically underrepresented, it *is* a numbers game. This is not a flaw to my argument. It's a feature. The demographics of comics, and movies, must continue to change to be more representative. The status quo is fundamentally not representative. Therefore, the point remains: Writing, acting, directing, storytelling, art ... which include characters that best represent society, mind you - these are all far more important, to me, than absolute (conservative and short-sighted) fidelity to what those characters' race, genders, religions, sexual orientations, etc. once were.
Spoken like somebody who has no idea how often assigning numbers to diversity (setting quotas) has actually hurt the people it's supposed to help, and the obvious passion you feel for this failed liberal tactic means I'm done wasting electrons talking to you. You've said your say. I've said mine. AMF.
This implies that you have to be an SJW in order to hire a woman, which is frankly laughable.
Also, are you assuming their gender? Unforgivable. Shocking, even. Disgusting. Ignorant. Shaaaaaame.
As decided by who? I keep calling the Ministry of Truth, but they won't return my calls.Lulz. This is an ignorant, prejudiced, and backwards-thinking statement. It's also not true when discussing true representation of the diversity of society.
What are the exact numbers of each kind of person that is needed for proper diversity? Since it is a number game, tell me the numbers, and we'll do the math to figure out exactly how many of each character type we need to eliminate or add. I'll then submit these numbers to the Ministry of Art so they can tell artists what they have to make. This is the proper way to consume entertainment after all.
I have an honest question here, if a movie were being cast and it came down to two people, one of whom is one of the best, most highly respected actors who's won pretty much ever award an actor can when, but he's black, or a white guy who looks exactly like comics character, but is who is pretty much the worst actor in Hollywood, which would rather have? Personally I'd go for the award winner.
Just to be sure, you know that I was being sarcastic, right?
There's a "Like" button. You don't need to do a "ditto" post.
What is so bad with changing the modern retellings of fictional stories that have their origins in a more racist era that had different demographics to be more representative of modern America? Why is it so awful to acknowledge that America has learned from its less-than-ideal past, and that white Americans are not nearly the supermajority that we used to be?
What is so bad about challenging this conceit in fiction that the "default person" is white?
To take this a bit further, why is treating non-white, non-heterosexual, non-cis, non-male people with the respect that they deserve (ie, "PC") so fucking awful?
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Because the characters in those series don't adequately represent society at large, and because it is the right thing to do? Why should fans have to continuously read/watch outdated views and quotas on race/gender/religion/orientation that limits the diversity of characters?
Tootles.
Oh by the way, your statements are all about the numbers game, and quotas, too: (i.e. "here are more than enough non-white characters in comics"). The only difference is I am advocating numbers that reflect society - your posts advocate outdated quotas that reflect a society that prioritized white men (not exclusively, but far too disproportionately) at the expense of far too many others, for far too long - and are resistant to any change in those numbers.
So it's still a numbers game.
Anyone who is able to look at the diversity of society, the relative lack of diversity in its entertainment, and realize change is not only necessary, but will ultimately make for better crafted stories.
You can look up census data as easily as I can. But let's start with an easy one: women. We'll even give the benefit of the doubt at say it's a 50/50 split. Are the main characters of comics (and comic movies) equally split by gender?
Nope.
But you go run the numbers.
I would certainly question it if this was a team of 25 or so white, heterosexual males with no valid explanation - but there are only 3 of the Impossibles in the cartoon - hardly disrespect to anyone! I'm female, but putting a female member in the team for the comic does not make me feel included at all - very much the opposite, as my favourites are being spoiled as far as I'm concerned.
Why is making one of them a woman in any way spoiling them?
Do you realize just how selfish and shallow that post is?
And while 3 white males in one cartoon is inconspicuous yes, it becomes an issue when the vast, if not overwhelming majority of characters are white males, it becomes an incredible oversight - so something has to give.
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