Trek burnout would never have been a problem if they went in diffrent directions each series rather than repeating the same story formula.
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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Trek burnout would never have been a problem if they went in diffrent directions each series rather than repeating the same story formula.
That's a cop-out excuse, the burn-out would've happened simply by market saturation.
Star Wars, they just do the same story and no one cared there.
As for "cumulative damage" on Voyager, what do you want? For the ship to just get more and more trashed until it fell apart? They weren't going to do anything idiotic like have a nacelle blown off and then replace it with some alien one.
The "Reset button"? Even NuBSG used the reset button, Voyager's problem is that the audience had unrealistic expectations like the Feds and Maquis fighting each other for 7 years straight. And apparently the idea of being able to just BUILD new shuttles and torpedoes is beyond them.
And we never got them.
That they'd work together, overcome their differences and make it back home?
If you were expecting the Feds and Maquis to be adversarial for the entire run of the series and for the ship to be a wreck...then you deserved to be disappointed.
The "One Strike You're Out" attitude Voyager received didn't help.
There's no need to be aggressive. We're exchanging point of views not barbs.
I just think that they promised a lot and never delivered.
If a restaurant menu says bouillabaisse, I don't expect to be served a common fish soup.
I think the audience had unrealistic expectations and a lot of the stuff they thought Voyager would be about...was never sustainable in the first place.
If Voyager had been a mini-series or a 1 season show, then maybe. But for a 7 year show, you can't expect them to still be in conflict and spending all their time doing hull patch work.
The inherently limited premise didn't help.
Is it really such a stretch of the imagination to think that Voyager spend a lot of time just flying in a straight line, and had time to make repairs to the ship and to repair/rebuild shuttles?
Voyager's initial premise was a starfleet ship stranded in the delta quadrant working to get home. What part of that premise was not delivered?
Voyager's initial premise was a starfleet ship stranded in the delta quadrant working to get home. What part of that premise was not delivered?
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I think that what annoyed me the most is how often they hit that reset button.
Except we are told in dialouge they have no way to replace their Photon torpedeos. Don't put lines like that in the show and expect the viewer not to call you on it when you decide to ignore it. I see story opportunities when resources are limited.
One other thing VOY could have done better is make use of a more recurring crew as it's not like the where going to get any replacements any time soon. Just look at poor Carey it's almost as if they thought they had killed him off for a few seasons before remembering they hadn't and had to correct that oversight by bringing him back to kill him off.
How often exactly? What do you consider episodes that were reset. I would only consider a handful of them actual reset episodes.
So you wanted the crew to be so incompetent they could never ever make new torpedoes? Ever?
Not for 7 years straight, though.
Once they introduce those characters, they'd need to come up with excuses as to why we weren't seeing them all the time (because Voyager was a small ship), meaning the writers would have to include them in stories where they didn't WANT to bother with extra characters.
Look at Farscape or Dark Matter, do you see anyone complaining that the ships have such small crews?
As for the "reset button", NuBSG and DS9 did that too.
I think it would be fastest to list the episodes that weren't followed by a reset. Take basics two for example, Janeway still has dirt on her face yet the ship is already repaired!
I don't believe there was much that needed to be repaired after Basics. The Kazon wanted to use Voyager for themselves and they had Seska who knew a lot about the ship so they probably repaired a couple of things but the ship wasn't that bad off.
Personally that's not what I consider a reset button. To me a reset button is Year of Hell, where things were ACTUALLY reset.
Every show did it, including TNG.
Are you kidding? As a result of the overload several people on the ship were killed. Do you think that kind of damage takes care of itself? Why do they need ships to be put in dry docks if they can repair them just like that after they have been so badly damaged. Plus we gets hints of people being rationed once in a while yet they seem to be able to splurge enormous resources in repairing the ship when it's been half destroyed.
There's no need for the crew of the Enterprise D to make their own torpedoes.
I'm not going to argue that, it's been a while since I've seen it.
as for rationing...the reason they had the rations was because they needed the replicator energy for materials for repairs. Makes perfect sense to me. They also mentioned several times that they found dilithium which helps with energy.
I was talking about using the "reset"
