Oh I agree. While it's always my favorite there are some really bad epsides, though personally I don't think that Threshold is the worst.
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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Personally I don't see any redeeming qualities to that episode. It's awful through and through.
I have always thought that if you take away the turning into lizards part that the warp 10 plot line was interesting.
The warp ten plot is only a small part of the episode.
Yes
Yeah it's a small part but it's ok. There are other episodes in my opinion that have NOTHING redeemable about them. Threshold at least has one small redeemable aspect. But again just my opinion
I can understand that. I don't agree but I understand.
Displaced is the worst.
The badguys have a transporter!
Arrrgh!
How technologically advanced!
The badguys have a transporter!
Arrrgh!
How technologically advanced!
Every Trek series has got those.
However, I will admit Threshold is particularly hard to defend, at least not without embracing the weirdness. 
I am glad we agree on that.Every Trek series has got those.
Well I guess that means that I embrace the weirdnes LOL
True, but so did other Treks, and I'm not even going to mention "Spock's Brain".
How about TNG's season 2 "Up the long Ladder" (and people complain about Voyager's Fairhaven holoprogram???
), season 3's "Hollow Pursuits" (This makes Seven's Chakotay Holoprogram look downright respectable 
), season 7's "Sub Rosa" (When we discover Crusher would flunk Seinfeld's "Master of her Domain" game 
) , "Genesis" (De-evolution occurs without a single attempt at Warp Ten 
) or "Emergence" (where the ship become sentient ! 
Eat your heart out, Data. ) .I suspect there are more, I just haven't seen it for so long that the bad ones escape my memory.
As for your contention that "Threshold" doesn't contain a single redeeming moment... I offer two that make me laugh every time I see them.
CHAKOTAY: There are traces of human DNA. It's them. But I have to admit, I'm not sure which one is the Captain.
TUVOK: The female, obviously.
(Three baby salamanders emerge from a hole in the sand and slither off into the water.)
CHAKOTAY: I don't know how I'm going to enter this into the log.
TUVOK: I look forward to reading it.
and of course there's that final scene in sickbay.
PARIS: Captain, er
JANEWAY: I've thought about having children, but I must say I never considered having them with you.
PARIS: Captain, I'm sorry. I, I don't know what to say, except I don't remember very much about, er, you know ...
JANEWAY: What makes you think it was your idea? Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating. But apology accepted, nonetheless...
And of course, the episode is fraught with fanfic potential!
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When I watched Voyager way back when, I remember thinking it was not as good as TNG, but enjoyable anyway. I stuck with the entire series from start to finish, and liked it more as it went on, as the audience declined. Trek series seem to start off weak and get better after two seasons, but by that point a lot of fans jumped ship.
The flaws are pretty serious, but I do not think they really become apparent until the second episode where the premise of the shows is scrapped. Or, maybe Nelix and the Ocampa turned people off with how bad they can be. I did not even notice the premise abandonment until years later, but more perceptive viewers probably picked up on the promised friction between Starfleet and Maquis never materializing, except in a few isolated situations. Janeway is also quite inconsistent in her application of everything, as one person put it, so she can always be the one who is right, even if it conflicts with how she was right last episode. This is on Janeway the character, not her actress.
People also picked up on the fact that Voyager the ship should have been getting worn down from so much fighting without proper support. I can say this, Enterprise did right by the audience to give it persistent damage, something actually intended by the Voyager production team.
Over all, Voyager did not offer live up to its promise of a lone ship in the wilderness. Correction, Janeway tells us the premise is abandoned at the end of the two-parter when she says she will run things just like a normal Starfleet ship. That would have been a great send off if she had go back on her promise in just the next episode, but she stuck to her word in her weird inconsistent way.
A lot of the issues Voyager faced cropped up in Enterprise. Stories were so by the book that they actually rehashed a couple episodes from Voyager. I think Voyager did that with some TNG episodes, too. That kind of thing speaks of drained creativity. That reminds me, Chakotay has no characterization, and Kim is pointless.
The flaws are pretty serious, but I do not think they really become apparent until the second episode where the premise of the shows is scrapped. Or, maybe Nelix and the Ocampa turned people off with how bad they can be. I did not even notice the premise abandonment until years later, but more perceptive viewers probably picked up on the promised friction between Starfleet and Maquis never materializing, except in a few isolated situations. Janeway is also quite inconsistent in her application of everything, as one person put it, so she can always be the one who is right, even if it conflicts with how she was right last episode. This is on Janeway the character, not her actress.
People also picked up on the fact that Voyager the ship should have been getting worn down from so much fighting without proper support. I can say this, Enterprise did right by the audience to give it persistent damage, something actually intended by the Voyager production team.
Over all, Voyager did not offer live up to its promise of a lone ship in the wilderness. Correction, Janeway tells us the premise is abandoned at the end of the two-parter when she says she will run things just like a normal Starfleet ship. That would have been a great send off if she had go back on her promise in just the next episode, but she stuck to her word in her weird inconsistent way.
A lot of the issues Voyager faced cropped up in Enterprise. Stories were so by the book that they actually rehashed a couple episodes from Voyager. I think Voyager did that with some TNG episodes, too. That kind of thing speaks of drained creativity. That reminds me, Chakotay has no characterization, and Kim is pointless.
Threshold...the episode that won an Emmy?
Exactly!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112178/awards?ref_=tt_awd
Its amazing how many eps that are often derided (Endgame, Spirit Folk, Ashes to Ashes, Thirty Days, Fairhaven, False Profits, Threshold) were nominated or actually won an Emmy for 1 reason or another.
I mean, I just took that one as a comedy and moved on. In the conventions, it's been a great point of amusement, and for that, I don't mind it.
My main redeeming factor for threshold is this scene
If only that robe would slip open and......sorry, I'm back
If only that robe would slip open and......sorry, I'm back
I find myself incapable of responding to the thread in a non-biased manner. It was a cool show and I had a strong positive or negative opinion on each episode, mostly positive opinions, until I fell in love with Kate Mulgrew in Season 5. Now they're all amazing unless it focuses on characters I don't like. Lol
Whenever people say "It could've been the best Trek ever if they slavishly stuck to the premise!" don't really realize how limited and constrained the premise actually was.
Voyager suffered from conceptual problems...the biggest one being that the whole "Lost Ship" thing was never a sustainable plot to begin with. Especially for a 7 year show.
Voyager suffered from conceptual problems...the biggest one being that the whole "Lost Ship" thing was never a sustainable plot to begin with. Especially for a 7 year show.
True, but so did other Treks, and I'm not even going to mention "Spock's Brain".
How about TNG's season 2 "Up the long Ladder" (and people complain about Voyager's Fairhaven holoprogram???
I suspect there are more, I just haven't seen it for so long that the bad ones escape my memory.
As for your contention that "Threshold" doesn't contain a single redeeming moment... I offer two that make me laugh every time I see them.
CHAKOTAY: There are traces of human DNA. It's them. But I have to admit, I'm not sure which one is the Captain.
TUVOK: The female, obviously.
(Three baby salamanders emerge from a hole in the sand and slither off into the water.)
CHAKOTAY: I don't know how I'm going to enter this into the log.
TUVOK: I look forward to reading it.
and of course there's that final scene in sickbay.
PARIS: Captain, er
JANEWAY: I've thought about having children, but I must say I never considered having them with you.
PARIS: Captain, I'm sorry. I, I don't know what to say, except I don't remember very much about, er, you know ...
JANEWAY: What makes you think it was your idea? Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating. But apology accepted, nonetheless...
And of course, the episode is fraught with fanfic potential!
I agree that the episodes you listed were all crap except for "Hollow Pursuits" which happens to be one of my favorite TNG episodes.
This..... the dreaded reset button.
Events should of been cumulative.
Thats the problem......it was just talk.
