Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

[Serin117]

Well the only race I can see on frowning on gays is vulcans.

Im still trying to see how in the ENT novels when they mentioned a gay vulcan it works. I think that a example of inappropriate shoehorning.

Its not logical. There is no practical benfit unlike hetero relationships which bare children. And choicing ones mate based on attraction is a emotional idea not suited to a true vulcans.

I doubt they would actively discriminate against a vulcan if they did choose that path, but it would likely not go further than tolerating as they would view that vulcan as being emotional.

Even interspecies male/female seem to be a exception rather than a rule with spock being slightly looked down upon with his half human side by other vulcans.

Of course when it comes to other species and what they do i doubt they would care as we are just emotional and illogical by nature.

This would hinge on the evolutionary benefit - simply going on lack of offspring doesn't rule out an evolutionary reason for the continuation of homosexuality in a species. We see that all around the place in the animal kingdom and modern science has many a hypothesis that attempts to explain why.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The two persons connected by pon far are telepathically bonded during a betrothal ceremony before their 7th (Guessing? There was a picture of young T'Pring floating around) birthday.

Your brain is telling you to #### another brain that your parents chose for you while you were still playing with trucks and barbie dolls. Hypothetically your Vulcan parents might decided that they are bonding you homosexually to a gender similar to your own, becuase politically or financially (for the family) it's a better match.

(If most of Vulcan is an uninhabitable radioactive wasteland, embracing homosexuality, is superb population control, but then if they're all nearly bisexual, what the gender of their mate is, is irrelevant to identifying anyones orientation.)

The Meat attached to that brain is irrelevant unless pon far ends at conception?

(I just had a giggle attack.)

Cows have 4 stomachs (actually they don't, but that doesn't matter) so if in Star Trek III, Spock would die if Saavik didn't...

(Okay now I'm horrified, but we'll get to that.)

...Get pregnant every time he went through pon far on the Genesis planet every couple hours, then she would obviously need at least one uterus for each of those successful pregnancies.... Or if Savvik did only have one uterus (I warned you about this, shut your eyes if you have to) Savvik would have to quickly terminate each pregnancy (or whatever passed for pregnant to the Vulcan sense, maybe a tiny telepathic/empathic glow?) between every fit of Pon Far Spock had, until they were rescued.

Sorry.

Hmm.

Interesting.

Savvik must have telepathically betrothed herself to Spock to make her brain serviceable to his blood fever before his symptoms became obvious.

Clever lady.

They're totally married.

 

[JWPlatt]

This would hinge on the evolutionary benefit - simply going on lack of offspring doesn't rule out an evolutionary reason for the continuation of homosexuality in a species. We see that all around the place in the animal kingdom and modern science has many a hypothesis that attempts to explain why.

If it is population control, our species needs a far, far higher percentage to save the planet. It might make a great government conspiracy story to lace our food chain with hormones for the purpose to succeed with biological tampering where China failed with law.

 

[Crazyewok]

The two persons connected by pon far are telepathically bonded during a betrothal ceremony before their 7th (Guessing? There was a picture of young T'Pring floating around) birthday.

Your brain is telling you to #### another brain that your parents chose for you while you were still playing with trucks and barbie dolls. Hypothetically your Vulcan parents might decided that they are bonding you homosexually to a gender similar to your own, becuase politically or financially (for the family) it's a better match.

(If most of Vulcan is an uninhabitable radioactive wasteland, embracing homosexuality, is superb population control, but then if they're all nearly bisexual, what the gender of their mate is, is irrelevant to identifying anyones orientation.)

The Meat attached to that brain is irrelevant unless pon far ends at conception?

(I just had a giggle attack.)

Cows have 4 stomachs (actually they don't, but that doesn't matter) so if in Star Trek III, Spock would die if Saavik didn't...

(Okay now I'm horrified, but we'll get to that.)

...Get pregnant every time he went through pon far on the Genesis planet every couple hours, then she would obviously need at least one uterus for each of those successful pregnancies.... Or if Savvik did only have one uterus (I warned you about this, shut your eyes if you have to) Savvik would have to quickly terminate each pregnancy (or whatever passed for pregnant to the Vulcan sense, maybe a tiny telepathic/empathic glow?) between every fit of Pon Far Spock had, until they were rescued.

Sorry.

Hmm.

Interesting.

Savvik must have telepathically betrothed herself to Spock to make her brain serviceable to his blood fever before his symptoms became obvious.

Clever lady.

They're totally married.

But then if male or female is irrelevant then why didnt Tuvok and vorik on voyager just do it? It would have been the "logical" choice to get over the pon farr problem.

 

[Visitor1982]

That has got more to do with conservative Mr. Berman.

 

[RandyS]

That has got more to do with conservative Mr. Berman.

How do we know he's conservative? I've never heard that.

 

[JeffinOakland]

ST's "progressive" stats are a bit muddled. Back in the 60's ST made great strides with two minorities, including a black woman, on the bridge. Since then, ST has proceeded with caution bordering on reluctance. In Voyager, there was a Chinese-American playing a Korean-American and a generic "Indigenous" character. Enterprise cast a Korean-American as a Japanese-American. The Abrams movies cast a Latina as an African and a Chinese-American as a Japanese-American. ST has a terrible track record, in general, portraying women. Avery Brooks had to fight very hard to get a few DS9 episodes to talk about black equality. The Abram's ST featured a gay character, sort of. 5 seconds of two men hugging. ST's progressive reputation is overrated, in my opinion.

 

[m.lp.ql.m]

The Abrams movies cast a ... Chinese-American as a Japanese-American.

Korean-American as a Japanese-American, actually, since we're counting hyphens.

 

[JeffinOakland]

Korean-American as a Japanese-American, actually, since we're counting hyphens.

fair nuff

 

[flandry84]

While true, you can not remove the fact that his skin color was a big drawl for many people. Maybe outside the US, its not a big an issue. But here, the fact you had a black man as captain, was seen as a big deal. The same way as having a woman be captain was a big deal. He was not one note, but you can't remove the fact he was black from it.

My friend,the entire point of Star Trek is that it doesn't matter if you are black,white or green with pointed ears.
I really don't understand what you are saying...did the network make a point of Avery Brooks colour or were Trekkers huddling around whispering these things?
If the former...well I don't think it was the former,if the latter...I hope it wasn't the latter.

 

[locutus101]

I think it's about time that we see some recurrent LGBT characters appear on a ST show. I think it's a shame when our so called enlightened future of centuries to come is even more backward than our past of three decades ago.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

TNG Data's day.



Depending on what "unless" means, four in a marriage, but they've not got four genders?

My friend,the entire point of Star Trek is that it doesn't matter if you are black,white or green with pointed ears.
I really don't understand what you are saying...did the network make a point of Avery Brooks colour or were Trekkers huddling around whispering these things?
If the former...well I don't think it was the former,if the latter...I hope it wasn't the latter.

I think if you can not see how him being black was seen as a major deal, you simply do not understand

 

[JWPlatt]

You are speaking of the real world and flandry84 is speaking in the world of Star Trek - two different things. Maybe if you got in sync, you could hear each other.

In the real world, it's an advance in casting practices. In the fiction, who cares which color he is? In which episode is it important that Sisko is black, except Past Tense which was set in our times where he's not Sisko?

 

[locutus101]

You are speaking of the real world and flandry84 is speaking in the world of Star Trek - two different things. Maybe if you got in sync, you could hear each other.

In the real world, it's an advance in casting practices. In the fiction, who cares which color he is? In which episode is it important that Sisko is black, except Past Tense which was set in our times?

In Bada Bing Bada Bang for one.

 

[JWPlatt]

In Bada Bing Bada Bang for one.

Nice recall. I forgot. But it's still not Sisko.

 

[locutus101]

Nice recall. I forgot. But it's still not Sisko.

What do you mean "Not Sisko"? He's the one who says that he doesn't like Vic's because blacks weren't treated well during that time period.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What matters more...

Half black, half alien or half god?

 

[JWPlatt]

What do you mean "Not Sisko"? He's the one who says that he doesn't like Vic's because blacks weren't treated well during that time period.

You're right. I remembered him as playing a character, which he eventually did in the story, but the objections to participating at Vic's were Sisko's. Also, I mentioned Past Tense, above. I meant Far Beyond the Stars. But in all cases, I don't think Sisko's skin color was important or a plot point to DS9. He didn't need to be any specific color (or race). It could have been anyone with merit, except for the whole fated Emissary thing. But as far as the real world casting goes, yes, it made a difference to us.

 

[Serin117]

If it is population control, our species needs a far, far higher percentage to save the planet. It might make a great government conspiracy story to lace our food chain with hormones for the purpose to succeed with biological tampering where China failed with law.

That's actually sort of the opposite of many of the hypothesis' that have been put forth to explain homosexuality.
There was even one that considered the idea that having a gay person in a generation increases fertility(something to do with epigenetics if I remember correctly).
After all a trait is only continued if it survives selection(ie helps or doesn't impede).

Basically the idea that somehow the trait of homosexuality is 'illogical' is simply just not logical itself and doesn't take into account evolutionary processes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

ST's "progressive" stats are a bit muddled. Back in the 60's ST made great strides with two minorities, including a black woman, on the bridge. Since then, ST has proceeded with caution bordering on reluctance. In Voyager, there was a Chinese-American playing a Korean-American and a generic "Indigenous" character. Enterprise cast a Korean-American as a Japanese-American. The Abrams movies cast a Latina as an African and a Chinese-American as a Japanese-American. ST has a terrible track record, in general, portraying women. Avery Brooks had to fight very hard to get a few DS9 episodes to talk about black equality. The Abram's ST featured a gay character, sort of. 5 seconds of two men hugging. ST's progressive reputation is overrated, in my opinion.

While I agree with that ST's progressive reputation is overrated, exact ethnic casting has never been spot on in Trek and in Hollywood in general.
In TOS you had:
A Jewish-Canadian playing an American WASP
A Jewish-American playing Human-Vulcan who's human mother seemed a bit WASPy.
A Canadian playing a Scot
A Japanese-American playing a Pan-Asian
An African-American playing an East African.
Kelley and Koenig play close to their own backgrounds. Though Koenig's background is Jewish not Slavic.

And I hope you realize that Latinas come in all colors.