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Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion

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I don't get it......

Why care about what someone else thinks? Watch the movie and decide for yourself. I know of plenty of movies others hated and I love, and vice-versa. Just because some critics don't like it, doesn't mean I need to not like it. I'm pretty much done with professional reviewers really. It might be me, but I'm getting the feeling that these days, they kinda get the vibe about what people think based on trailers and such, and write reviews that go right against what people think it might be, just so they can sell. Meh, I'll judge for myself.
 
"Go see it and judge for yourself!" That's certainly what the studios wish would happen. :)
 
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It will do well this weekend, the question for the studio is if it has legs.
Yeah, it's a pretty rare "big" movie that can't open reasonably well, and this one is certainly anticipated. They'll do well enough to cover their asses at the very least. Could even be a big hit. You can never tell. :)
 
Why? Why not make up your own mind on whether or not to see a film? Why allow film critics dictate what you do or don't see in the theaters? They're not the last word on the quality of any film. You are. I am. Just about every individual moviegoer.
I do make up my own mind. I read reviews from intelligent people who have seen the movie and can articulate their thoughts on what works and what doesn't. I then make an informed opinion on whether or not I would like the film based on what I read.
 
I also regard the idea of shutting down Rotten Tomatoes as rather stupid. I don't see why many people seemed to regard that site as the last word on every film ever made. If I had adhered to the opinions of the film critics on that site, along with God knows how many other critics, I would have missed out on a lot of movies that proved to be favorites of mine.

It's even stupider than that, because RT is simply an aggregator. None of the critics whose reviews it posts actually work for Rotten Tomatoes, any more than actors and filmmakers work for IMDb. RT just collects reviews from elsewhere and presents a statistical summary thereof. Blaming RT for bad reviews is like blaming the TV meteorologist for bad weather.


You're not accepting this as fact, are you? Without having seen the film?

What part of "the reviews seem to agree" and "apparently" would lead you to think I was blindly accepting anything as fact? I chose that phrasing specifically to make it clear that I'm merely describing what others are saying without endorsing it or suggesting that it can't be questioned. It is, of course, a given that any source can and should be interrogated rather than blindly trusted. Describing what a source reports is merely describing what it reports, nothing more.

However, since the specific point in question here is not the quality of the film but merely its structure (i.e. what character it "revolves around"), I don't see any particular reason to mistrust the reviewers' reporting on this point. Describing who is the central character of a movie is not a particularly subjective or controversial assessment in most cases. And various reviewers seem to be in agreement that Deadshot is the primary character, Harley secondary, and the Joker a far more minor presence than we were led to believe. A claim from a single, isolated source should naturally be viewed with skepticism, but if multiple independent sources corroborate one another, particularly on such an objective and uncontroversial question as which character in a movie is central, then that would tend to increase the reliability of their conclusion.

And really, is it any surprise that Will Smith, rather than Margot Robbie, is the actual lead of the film? Not only is he billed first, not only is he a far bigger celebrity, but he's male. I think if SS had actually been a female-led film, achieving that landmark before Wonder Woman did, then the fact would've garnered some publicity.


Why allow film critics dictate what you do or don't see in the theaters?

One should not, of course. But that doesn't mean one is required to ignore them altogether. Describing someone's opinion is not intended to say "You must blindly and slavishly believe every word they say." It is merely providing some information to be weighed in the course of making a decision. Listening to others' points of view doesn't mean surrendering one's free will.
 
Yes - the reason that critics exists is opportunity cost - I only have so much time and there is an opportunity cost attached to actions. I was going to go and see this before after the reviews, I'll catch it on streaming because the opportunity cost is too high. The time I would have spend on this film, I'll now spend fine dining instead as the food critic reviews of the place I have selected are excellent.
 
Despite thinking DC doesn't know it's ass from it's elbow I was kind of looking forward to Batman Superman, even after the reviews slaughtered it. Every bad review I read was pretty much right - it was a horribly flawed movie. Despite that, there was (luckily) still enough left in it to make it somewhat enjoyable.

Suicide Squad ? The premise does nothing for me, nor do the characters. It's a dreadful idea if you're setting up a cinematic universe following BvS with the kind of thing you try later when everything's up and running. It's a total non starter with zero interest and zero expectations from me.

However, like BvS I'll go and see it, and you never know. After all, I did kind of enjoy BvS...
 
Given what a terrific ad campaign the movie had, it would've been hard for the movie to live up to its own hype in any case. The ads really got me interested in the movie, but now, the reviews are making me think I'll wait until the library gets it. (By the way, I just requested BvS from the library last night. Yes, I'm finally going to see it.)

You know what? Warner Bros. should totally hire the people who made the Suicide Squad trailers and commercials to make actual movies for them.

EDIT: Oh, wait. I was joking when I said that, but then I read the Hollywood Reporter piece that Dream linked to, and it says the trailer's makers actually did participate in reworking the film. Although it sounds like what we got was a mix of Ayer's darker version and the studio retool. Shades of Fantastic Four...
 
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Given what a terrific ad campaign the movie had, it would've been hard for the movie to live up to its own hype in any case. The ads really got me interested in the movie, but now, the reviews are making me think I'll wait until the library gets it. (By the way, I just requested BvS from the library last night. Yes, I'm finally going to see it.)

You know what? Warner Bros. should totally hire the people who made the Suicide Squad trailers and commercials to make actual movies for them.

Funny, I also just recieved my copy of the Ultimate Edition of BvS. With limited time, and already aware we would be getting a Ultimate Edition later in the year, we decided to see Civil War in theaters and wait for bluray release of BvS. Curious too. I'm one the rare weirdos that liked Man Of Steel.
 
Maybe they thought they were going to see a good movie. Boy were they stupid, right?
Have you seen it yet? I sincerely doubt it. So you have no idea if it's a good movie or not. I don't either. But the reviews I have seen from the people who have seen it all seem to show a general inability to understand what kind of a movie this is. So it's no surprise to me, whatsoever, that they didn't like it.

I may agree once I actually see it. But that won't change the brunt of the problem with the reviews I've read either, which is less about the movie and more about the reviewer.
 
Funny, I also just recieved my copy of the Ultimate Edition of BvS. With limited time, and already aware we would be getting a Ultimate Edition later in the year, we decided to see Civil War in theaters and wait for bluray release of BvS. Curious too. I'm one the rare weirdos that liked Man Of Steel.
Given what a terrific ad campaign the movie had, it would've been hard for the movie to live up to its own hype in any case. The ads really got me interested in the movie, but now, the reviews are making me think I'll wait until the library gets it. (By the way, I just requested BvS from the library last night. Yes, I'm finally going to see it.)

You know what? Warner Bros. should totally hire the people who made the Suicide Squad trailers and commercials to make actual movies for them.

EDIT: Oh, wait. I was joking when I said that, but then I read the Hollywood Reporter piece that Dream linked to, and it says the trailer's makers actually did participate in reworking the film. Although it sounds like what we got was a mix of Ayer's darker version and the studio retool. Shades of Fantastic Four...

Do yourselves a favour and watch the longer cut. I liked the theatrical release quite a bit but, having seen the longer cut, I can't imagine watching the shorter one again. It's clearly what the director wanted to release (not always the case with longer cuts) so it's the fairest way of judging the work. Doesn't mean you'll like it but it will mean you've given it a fair shake.
 
. But the reviews I have seen from the people who have seen it all seem to show a general inability to understand what kind of a movie this is .

I've seen this type of critique before and when connected to superhero films and families aimed for the mainstream tends not to be very convincing.

The film appears to be run of the mill adolescent power fantasy - These can very well made and entertaining but they don't tend to be hard to understand.

Unless it's actually a film about the existential angst as meditated by puppet theatre and we missed that?
 
I've seen this type of critique before and when connected to superhero films and families aimed for the mainstream tends not to be very convincing.

Right. These films aren't being made for comics fans, since that's far too tiny a fanbase for a feature film. (We're talking tens of thousands of readers for a successful comic versus tens of millions of viewers for a successful movie.) They're an attempt to translate comic-book characters and stories into a form that will appeal to a general moviegoing audience. So naturally they're written with familiar, standard action-movie storytelling tropes in mind. If a movie were made in such a way that it only worked for people who were already familiar with the concepts and characters and were opaque and incomprehensible for those outside the fanbase, then that would be a complete failure.

Besides, the Suicide Squad of the comics was consciously modeled on The Dirty Dozen, so it's already an intrinsically "filmic" premise. It should be perfectly accessible to movie critics. So there's no logic in saying they're somehow not qualified to judge it. (Especially since we're now a decade and a half into the superhero-movie craze, so even mainstream film critics should have plenty of qualifications to assess comic-book movies by now.)
 
I thought this article about the making of SS was quite interesting:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...-secret-drama-rushed-916693?facebook_20160803

Sounds like they really shot themselves in the foot by releasing such a popular trailer that had a much more fun and energetic style than the actual movie.

The BvS trailer might have made that movie look a lot more exciting than it really was, but at least it was a pretty true reflection of the movie's dark and somber tone.
 
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