Yeah, that's hideous.
Star Trek Discovery
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It makes the Discovery look even better.
Definitely too busy-looking.
Would have been great in season 5!
Not sure about the refit, but ENT season 5 would have featured Shran as a regular. Tasty, tasty Jeffrey Combs.
It's the warp engines that throw it off for me. From the front, the ship looks great, but from below it looks like it has clown feet.
Why do people actually believe that Enterprise season five was going to feature a structural change, let alone the design Drexler created.
It was never, ever intended or planned to change by any of the producers of the show. EVER!
Doug always thought this ship should feature all the primary details the NCX-1701 had. In his own words he felt that this ship had to. And that's frankly utterly untrue.
Doug created this refit without Zimmerman (who oversaw the NX design process) or any producers oversight. And he did roughly 5 years after the end of the series. He did it for a calendar that he had been overseeing after Mojo was replaced.
If a resign had ever occurred it most likely would have been done inhouse, meaning John Eaves from the art department (the only reason Doug was originally involved was that Eaves was to busy finalizing all the real sets for the pilot. It also regardless on who did it would have to go through an intensive review process. It would not be what Doug did on his own.
While I don't love the specific design of the NX-01. What I did love is that it's roughly half way point design was between Cochrane's warp ship and Kirks ship.
I mean there is more then a century between the two shows. The idea of moving both design and story elements closer to TOS simply doesn't really make a ton of sense.
The show isn't TOS and shouldn't be trying to be.
It was never, ever intended or planned to change by any of the producers of the show. EVER!
Doug always thought this ship should feature all the primary details the NCX-1701 had. In his own words he felt that this ship had to. And that's frankly utterly untrue.
Doug created this refit without Zimmerman (who oversaw the NX design process) or any producers oversight. And he did roughly 5 years after the end of the series. He did it for a calendar that he had been overseeing after Mojo was replaced.
If a resign had ever occurred it most likely would have been done inhouse, meaning John Eaves from the art department (the only reason Doug was originally involved was that Eaves was to busy finalizing all the real sets for the pilot. It also regardless on who did it would have to go through an intensive review process. It would not be what Doug did on his own.
While I don't love the specific design of the NX-01. What I did love is that it's roughly half way point design was between Cochrane's warp ship and Kirks ship.
I mean there is more then a century between the two shows. The idea of moving both design and story elements closer to TOS simply doesn't really make a ton of sense.
The show isn't TOS and shouldn't be trying to be.
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No, the producers never planned it but but Doug Drexler did propose it. The fact it never happened till after the fact doesn't mean that it wouldn't have been cool to see in season 5.
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I think you've got your burden of proof inverted, here. You said he had always been gay, when nothing was ever shown about this character that indicated that. You're the one who needs to provide evidence; I have not made a claim.
Oh, no, we're still here, dumbfounded that CBS decided to further confuse the issue, and skip on the opportunity for cross-overs.
...and that is just as wrong. You cannot approximate reality with opinions.
Agreed.
I don't recall anything being said one way or another about Sulu's sexuality in any of the TV series.
Nothing said, but definitely inferred. He grabbed Uhura during the Naked Now when he's playing D'Artagnan with his sword, he grabs Uhura again and makes overtures in 'Mirror, Mirror,' and in Generations he has a grown daughter. I think it's relatively safe to assume that Prime-verse Sulu was straight all along, played by a gay actor. Much the same as Quinto's Spock- I haven't seen anybody expressing any heartburn over that, and there's no reason to. That's why it's called acting.
I don't get why the whole nu-Sulu thing is such a big deal to so many people.
I don't get why the whole nu-Sulu thing is such a big deal to so many people.
Some people have opined that changing the character in the reboot to homosexual was too transformative, and would have been better creating a new character with his own backstory rather than retconning Sulu. IIRC George Takei was one of those.
Personally I think either is fine.
As the ship is based on the Ralph McQuarrie design I thought I would see if I could improve the trailer by using Star Wars music and sound effects. 
The music is the Piano Guys and the engine sounds are from the Millennium Falcon.
Somehow I managed to made it worse!
The music is the Piano Guys and the engine sounds are from the Millennium Falcon.
Somehow I managed to made it worse!
"The Naked Time."
AKA, "I was running naked through the corridors, for realsies"?AKA "Man was I drunk last night!"
Those people don't really understand how writing works. Introducing a new character will require having to set them up, make the audience like them, develop that character over the course of the story and in this case show they are gay. Having Sulu be gay solves this by just adding a layer to a character we already know and care about. It also sets up his family being on the Yorktown, so there are personal stakes when it is endangered. It's not enough that it's nameless Federation citizens, it's Sulu's husband and daughter. He cares and the audience cares. It's the most basic level of writing you can do, but sadly is increasingly rare in blockbuster movies. They're also having to introduce a villain and a heroic female character and balance that with giving the crew some sort of storyline.
The other option is introducing Ensign Poochie who happens to be gay. Although I highly doubt that most of the people against Sulu being gay would be pleased with this either.
Besides, it was only a couple of short scenes. It's not like Paramount/Bad Robot/et al turned it into "Gay Trek."
I don't like it when a show pushes a "type" character just to have it there and show how progressive they are. It feels forced. This was not that. It was what it was, and tastefully done.
I don't like it when a show pushes a "type" character just to have it there and show how progressive they are. It feels forced. This was not that. It was what it was, and tastefully done.
So AICN has Fuller saying the registry number is a big clue and that if you're familiar with section 31 mythology you can read a lot into the events of the first season....
More details August 10
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75876
More details August 10
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75876
