Dear starmike, there are not 2 decks at the edge of the saucer onscreen... there are 2 decks at the edge of the saucer that have been damaged enough for their internal structure to be exposed... and the pic you are refering to shows exactly that, how much space exists between, above and below those damaged decks, and the space is so significant that there are easily 4 decks at the edge of the saucer. Actually, prior to the premiere of the movie a promotion cutaway of the nuEnterprise was released showing exactly that, 4 decks at the adge of the saucer.
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Well, I'm dropping the mic on this one.
I took a screenshot from the trailer clearly showing Kirk and Chekov sliding down the saucer.
Extrapolating their size (about 2m) with the rest of the image, and then getting the distance of the bridge to the end of the saucer from another source, Star Trek Beyond CLEARLY shows that the hull is about 144m, which puts it in line with the size of the TMP refit.
Mic. Drop.
I took a screenshot from the trailer clearly showing Kirk and Chekov sliding down the saucer.
Extrapolating their size (about 2m) with the rest of the image, and then getting the distance of the bridge to the end of the saucer from another source, Star Trek Beyond CLEARLY shows that the hull is about 144m, which puts it in line with the size of the TMP refit.
Mic. Drop.
^Your measuring line doesn't go to the edge of the saucer, so it's useless.
It's worth noting that Sean Hargreaves, the designer of the Enterprise refit, the USS Franklin, Yorktown base and Enterprise NCC-1701-A for Star Trek Beyond says the refit Enterprise and the Enterprise-A are roughly 2500' long.
As for window heights, this picture settles it:
Star Trek: The Art of the Film. The full-size Military Transport shuttle is 40-feet long.
It's worth noting that Sean Hargreaves, the designer of the Enterprise refit, the USS Franklin, Yorktown base and Enterprise NCC-1701-A for Star Trek Beyond says the refit Enterprise and the Enterprise-A are roughly 2500' long.
As for window heights, this picture settles it:
Source?
Such denial. I clearly showed how it matches up.
Still waiting on your rebuttal of the points I made a few pages ago. All you said was that you thought the 40' shuttles were 12', which is incorrect. Now, you post a vague picture which proves nothing (what does the green line even measure to?) and consider it ultimate proof? If so, how do any of the internals fit into the ship?
I made everything quite clear. Feel free to be in denial.
That looks like it corroborates what I'm saying.No, it really doesn't.
Here's the official cutaway: http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a21522/star-trek-beyond-uss-enterprise-cutaway/
How so? Not every deck is residential, and doesn't need windows. It's entirely plausible every other deck in the widest part of the saucer has science labs and sensor equipment that runs right up to the exterior bulkhead. I also recall some tech manual or designer saying the gray ribbed portions running the perimeter of the saucer, between the windows, are sensor placements. Naturally, you can't have windows with those in the way.
Where? They look like they line up to me.
No, because it's NOT a mistake, it's a DELIBERATE CHOICE.
From the Eaglemoss Magazine's Article:
The multi-level shuttlebay they're talking about was part of the original concept artwork for the ship; it and the bridge design were BOTH finalized ahead of time, with the rest of the details being filled out later. Ultimately, keeping the smaller size would have been a mistake, one they finally rectified when they realized that the smaller ship wouldn't fit half of the details they had already started cramming into it.
The scale of the ship has been totally consistent since then and hasn't changed even slightly ever since. Even the windows -- which are, quite literally, floor-to-ceiling panels -- remain unchanged.
All of these have been covered EXHAUSTIVELY in the years before you discovered this thread, but the short version:
Until you account for the docking port aperture being almost 4 meters in diameter with a smaller opening inset.
Those two little dots right there are Kirk and Chekov. Now tell me with a straight face that they are only 50 meters from the edge of the saucer so I can laugh at you.
Until you account for the almost 2 meter gap BETWEEN those decks, which point to a larger vessel.
Until you account for the docking port aperture being almost 4 meters in diameter with a smaller opening inset.
Actually they indicate a ship that's about 480 meters, and they still don't actually FIT inside of the visible spaces depicted.
Those two little dots right there are Kirk and Chekov. Now tell me with a straight face that they are only 50 meters from the edge of the saucer so I can laugh at you.
AWESOME!
You realize that with a radius of 144m, the LENGTH of the saucer would actually be 288 meters long, right?
You realize that "radius" of the saucer would be HALF the width of the ship, right?
You realize that at 288 meters, that means that JUST THE SAUCER is actually longer than the TOS Enterprise, right?
Anyway, we actually measured the proportions SIX YEARS AGO and found the saucer of the 750m reboot Enterprise is about 310 meters long, so you're not that far off.
See? You've just proven the bigger scale without even meaning to!
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