It's coded language masking bigotry.
Star Trek Discovery
- Thread starter JoeZhang
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It's coded language masking bigotry.
It's easily one of the dumbest utterances here in the last few weeks and that's saying something.
Remember those preachy episodes that failed utterly? Sit through them all in one sitting, and multiply that gut wrenching feeling by a hundred.
At least that's my take on it.
The codename for the reboot of Doctor Who was Torchwood...which is an anagram of Doctor Who. It might not be smart, but it can be brilliant.
I disagree. It's time Trek got back to being overtly political, even if masked in science fiction.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
It's code for scared old white people who're afraid that seeing gay people on screen will turn them gay. That by not catering almost exclusively to the white cis hetero crowd, they're being personally attacked. That anything that doesn't specifically go to near white supremacist levels of catering to whites is somehow seen as an affront to the "natural order of things".
A touch of an overreaction, I think for many the concern is that trying to represent every minority group and sub set will become an over-reaction and then distraction, so instead of having believable characters you have walking checklists.
'This is the new captain, she's this believable person who happens to be...'
vs.
'This is the new captain, she is a /insert list of progressive buzzwords and obscure self identifiers here...'
The show already has a horrific ship design so is really going to need a set of believable characters and going for an over representative array that will make it distracting rather then immersive will be a mistake. There is precedent in 'Torchwood', where it started to feel like every character was gay to the point that that became more of the focus of the show then the stories, although given how bad the stories were on Torchwood that probably wasn't a bad thing!
That argument was likely used back in the '60s to prevent three icons of the franchise from being 'ethnically' cast or explicitly presented as someone from a contemporaneous or then recent enemy. I'd hate for Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov to have been white-faced so that little old racist viewers wouldn't feel threatened.
If you've read Fuller's comments on the casting, you'll know that they're all written as believable characters first, and they're casting 'color-blind and gender-blind', i.e. they're casting the best person for that role regardless of their gender and skin color. Yet, somehow, magically, that's still going to be construed as pandering. Funny how that works. Uncomfortable white people will just keep chanting pandering and SJW and agenda right up till there's a mostly white cis straight male cast. Interesting how that works. It's almost as if the sexuality, gender, gender-identity, and skin color of the actors actually matters more to the people fighting against broader representation. Almost like that's all that matters. Kinda like a check-list...
What if the cast happens to be fully male and white even after this kind of casting?
What if the cast happens to be fully male and white even after this kind of casting?
Then us privileged white guys will have shown how powerful we are.
What if the cast happens to be fully male and white even after this kind of casting?
You can only entertain that as possible if you think every white male actor is better than every non-white, non-male actor. Seems like a clearly racist stance to take.
I don't know but all I can hear is Robert Downey Jr in character in Tropic Thunder saying it...
"You never go full-retard social justice warrior"
Racism - racist, terms that are so overused. Unfortunately they are used now to shut down dissention. Can they not see the irony of their own intolerance?
Serious question. Have you ever seen this playground rubber-and-glue nonsense convince a single person, anywhere, that racism is okay and they're the "real racist" or the "really intolerant one" for not being down with racism? Have you ever seen it work anywhere, ever, and if yes, what was the person on?
I've taught just about every kind of student imaginable, from transgendered to Muslim to black to Latino to Asian, etc... Please, explain to me how those kids were not believable.
Surely you'd only have to find 7 or 8 white dude actors who are better than every other non-dude, non-white actors?
Teach any strawmen?
If STD has a cast of hundreds or as many students you have taught then of course there will be plenty of volume with which to represent every circumstance. It won't.
Trying to represent every possibility over maybe a dozen characters? That strains believability.
You've engaged in little else.
There's a ridiculous either/or.
Only to folks who think women, homosexuals, people of color, and such unbelievable.
