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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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OtherGene said:
Not being down and widdit I have no idea who Jaylah is and I'm too lazy to Google it (other search engines are available) but that aside this has to be the most tenuous Star Trek related cash-grab I've seen Team Axanar associate themselves with yet. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's just a cartoon dude listening to, er, something?
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She's a major new character in the "Star Trek: Beyond" feature film released just this past weekend. You have to admire Alec Peters for so brazenly continuing to profiteer of a character created by the bad Robot/JJ Abrams production company <--- Who Alec Peters (prior to the JJ Abrams 'lawsuit is going away' comment) felt had rewritten and wholesale ignored Star Trek continuity in all the new films; and he and his AXANAR production was railing against.

Like any Grifter, Peters just seems to use whatever he can to keep donations rolling in. I'm sure it'll do a good job of paying for AXANAR's Discovery phase costs of the upcoming trial. With ST: Beyond mostly performing as Paramount expected (and with all the tax breaks and other covered film production costs Paramount received for STB by partnering with a Chinese production conglomerate and filming in Canada - $75-80 million by most reports); at this point, I don't see CBS/Paramount's settlement offer (whatever it is/was) changing or getting better; and we'll see Alec Peters ride the train wreck that he's turned AXANAR into right off the cliff - all the while still wondering: "What did I do to deserve this; and where was the mass mainstream Star Trek fan support I was expecting?":rommie::barf:
 
Noname Given said:
She's a major new character in the "Star Trek: Beyond" feature film released just this past weekend. You have to admire Alec Peters for so brazenly continuing to profiteer of a character created by the bad Robot/JJ Abrams production company <--- Who Alec Peters (prior to the JJ Abrams 'lawsuit is going away' comment) felt had rewritten and wholesale ignored Star Trek continuity in all the new films; and he and his AXANAR production was railing against.

Like any Grifter, Peters just seems to use whatever he can to keep donations rolling in. I'm sure it'll do a good job of paying for AXANAR's Discovery phase costs of the upcoming trial. With ST: Beyond mostly performing as Paramount expected (and with all the tax breaks and other covered film production costs Paramount received for STB by partnering with a Chinese production conglomerate and filming in Canada - $75-80 million by most reports); at this point, I don't see CBS/Paramount's settlement offer (whatever it is/was) changing or getting better; and we'll see Alec Peters ride the train wreck that he's turned AXANAR into right off the cliff - all the while still wondering: "What did I do to deserve this; and where was the mass mainstream Star Trek fan support I was expecting?":rommie::barf:
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Thanks for that spoiler-free explanation - I won't get chance to see Beyond until this weekend and I've avoided all mention of it, hence the ignorance!
 
Karzak said:
and it remains absolutely apparent to anyone who has followed this nonsense .... everything CBS has done has been straight up as a "fuck you" to Alec Peters.
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How so? I would think it was more of Alec giving CBS the Finger every chance he got. You make it sound like it's the other way around.
 
nx1701g said:
I don't know if this was previously mentioned but the new Newsweek celebrating the 50th Anniversary has an article about Star Trek Fan Productions and, specifically, Axanar. Included in it is a large image of Alec.

I immediately put it back on the shelf when I saw it...
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Sorry for beating a dead horse, but I hope this finally disproves the notion that this story never resonated beyond Trek nerds. A lot of people know about it by now without being nerds.
 
mos6507 said:
A lot of people know about it by now without being nerds.
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Yes and no. Give the Devil his due, Alec Peters does know how to get his side of the story out there. So, yes, now a lot more people have heard ONE side of the story. I can understand CBS following their lawyers' advice to not make any public statements, but they should also listen to their own Public Relations guys.
 
Sgt_G said:
Yes and no. Give the Devil his due, Alec Peters does know how to get his side of the story out there. So, yes, now a lot more people have heard ONE side of the story. I can understand CBS following their lawyers' advice to not make any public statements, but they should also listen to their own Public Relations guys.
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A government investigation would shift the story. The media likes "underdogs fighting big business" stories. But they like government regulators a lot more.
 
Sgt_G said:
How so? I would think it was more of Alec giving CBS the Finger every chance he got. You make it sound like it's the other way around.
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Sorry, I should have clarified that point a little better. That part of my post was in regard to the fan film guidelines recently put out by CBS.

You're absolutely right that Peters has thumbed his nose and given the finger to CBS and Paramount every chance he's had so far; I did not mean to confuse these two salient issues.

But make no mistake - there is zero - absolutely none - love lost for Peters on the CBS/Paramount side of this.
 
RedForman said:
The cognitive dissonance here is absolutely astounding (and speaks for itself)

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Yeah, but I'll bet (assuming they are actual practicing Copyright/IP lawyers); if Alec Peters asked: "Do you guys believe a case can be made for my 'Axanar Works' being classified as 'fair use'?"... the answer he'd receive would be a resounding "No."

These lawyers (assuming again that they are), very well could be Axanar fans; but any lawyer will tell you too: "The law is the law; and if you break the law, consequences may ensue." This kind of cognitive disconnect on Alec Peters part is WHY we have the situation as it stands now.:rommie:
 
Noname Given said:
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Yeah, but I'll bet (assuming they are actual practicing Copyright/IP lawyers); if Alec Peters asked: "Do you guys believe a case can be made for my 'Axanar Works' being classified as 'fair use'?"... the answer he'd receive would be a resounding "No."

These lawyers (assuming again that they are), very well could be Axanar fans; but any lawyer will tell you too: "The law is the law; and if you break the law, consequences may ensue." This kind of cognitive disconnect on Alec Peters part is WHY we have the situation as it stands now.:rommie:
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We will also tell you that precedent tends to decide things. Not impossible to overturn it, but judges really don't want to do that unless it's for a damned good reason.
 
jespah said:
We will also tell you that precedent tends to decide things. Not impossible to overturn it, but judges really don't want to do that unless it's for a damned good reason.
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But @jespah, they're making a STAR TREK FAN FILM. Don't you understand the constitutional importance of that? I'm pretty sure one of the amendments addresses this. Maybe the Third.

Seriously, the fair use argument can be demolished with one question: If Axanar Productions, a studio established inside the Thirty Mile Zone and operating under Hollywood union rules, can claim fair use of CBS-Paramount IP, then why can't Fox or Universal produce their own "Star Trek fan film"? For that matter, what's to stop another studio from bankrolling Axanar Productions?
 
oswriter said:
Seriously, the fair use argument can be demolished with one question: If Axanar Productions, a studio established inside the Thirty Mile Zone and operating under Hollywood union rules, can claim fair use of CBS-Paramount IP, then why can't Fox or Universal produce their own "Star Trek fan film"? For that matter, what's to stop another studio from bankrolling Axanar Productions?
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Aaaand we know the Axanar answer: we don't make a profit off of it. If you let us define "profit".
 
RedForman said:
It also seems that LFIM is just asking for it too........... (can we say 'desperation' ??)
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That's revolting. Cash-on-the-barrelhead convention sketches are a long, innocuous, and even venerable tradition. Harvesting them for more money for production/legal fees/living expenses/pizza delivery/what have you for Axanar is an abuse over and above copyright infringement.
 
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