Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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Everyone I've talked to in my circle who has seen it (including my peers, I'm thirty) say this is the best of the three reboot films, and I agree. I'd love to see more movies like this, with this crew. Really hoping Pegg can write the next one because I think he's got a good grip on entertaining but thoughtful Star Trek stories.
Also? I don't think we're going to see a Star Trek movie with the same kind of pacing we see in older Trek films like WoK and UC- even First Contact. Modern action movies are just going to be this fast paced and vibrant, and that's what Star Trek is now. We'll see what kind of tone Discovery sets.
But if Star Trek has to be this vibrant, to the discomfort of some older fans, I think the least one could ask for is that the story is intelligent and cohesive in between and in conjunction with the action sequences. I found the story of Beyond to be more consistent and thoughtful than Into Darkness or 2009... which is a clear improvement. Eager to see what Trek 14 will bring us. It's just a shame Anton can't join us there.
Also? I don't think we're going to see a Star Trek movie with the same kind of pacing we see in older Trek films like WoK and UC- even First Contact. Modern action movies are just going to be this fast paced and vibrant, and that's what Star Trek is now. We'll see what kind of tone Discovery sets.
But if Star Trek has to be this vibrant, to the discomfort of some older fans, I think the least one could ask for is that the story is intelligent and cohesive in between and in conjunction with the action sequences. I found the story of Beyond to be more consistent and thoughtful than Into Darkness or 2009... which is a clear improvement. Eager to see what Trek 14 will bring us. It's just a shame Anton can't join us there.
Like the previous rebooted movies, it's a good action movie but not a very good Trek movie. Some of the humour was good, some was crap. Could really do with less Simon Pegg as Scotty as almost none of his "comedy" moments were funny, and his accent is pretty poor too.
As for the villain, not really sure I understand his motivations at all. Another human with a beef with humanity. Would have been better had he just been an alien with a grudge.
As for the villain, not really sure I understand his motivations at all. Another human with a beef with humanity. Would have been better had he just been an alien with a grudge.
If you piece everything together, Krall's motivations were ok. He was a soldier from the ENT era where life was more violent. He could not cope with the new reality of a peaceful Federation where instead of being a soldier, he was expected to be a starship captain conducting peaceful exploration all the time. He hoped that by killing everyone at Yorktown that he could force the Federation to go back to the conflict and struggle that he was comfortable with. Unfortunately, the movie does not really spend enough time explaining Krall's motivations. I think the movie wanted to keep the action going and therefore did not want to get bogged down with too many "talky" scenes that could have fleshed out the villain. The idea of an ex starfleet captain who cannot cope with a new reality and who was stranded on a planet that has driven him mad, is a good concept. In fact, we've seen the crazy/disgruntled starfleet captain before. It was a common trope in TOS and TNG. So I do think it was better than an alien with a grudge. It just needed to be explained better to the audience.
I took my sons to go see it on Sunday and both of them liked it. One was surprised he liked it, because of the several ST films I've shown him on Blu-Ray, he only remembered ST 2009. I remember thinking at one point during the film, that " Oh wow. Star Trek is back. This is Star Trek."
Well done, Justin, Simon, and everyone who worked on this movie, both in front of - and behind - the camera.
Krall's motivations came across quite clear to me in his Captain's Logs. It showed a man becoming unhinged, ala Commodore Decker in "The Doomsday Machine". He lost his mind out there, in addition to his humanity.
Entirely subjective, humour is always a subject of debate. I found his moments funny enough. As far as Pegg's accent, it sounds fine to me, and I've lived in Scotland most of my life.
His accents better than mine.
I've seen this complaint for seven years and still don't what this means? Or why it is a problem?
The setting was right, the characters recognizable and appealing, the optimism and joy of space exploration was there (restored at the end for Kirk). To me it felt like a good movie that told a simple but interesting story in the Trek-universe.
What was lacking for you?
I don't think he wanted anything to do with the Federation. The way I saw it, the attack was because the Federation was encroaching on his space.
No, I think he was hunting all the time for the artifact the Enterprise-crew found and wanted to hand over to that alien race at the beginning of the movie. He was biding his time and searching for his ultimate weapon to punish the Federation.
Krall does say that this is where the frontier pushes back. But Krall also makes a big deal about how the Federation is weak because of its peaceful unity and that he believes true strength lies in struggle. And when asked about the device, he tells Uhura that he is trying to save the Federation from itself. So I put two and two together and assumed that his plan to attack Yorktown was designed to foster conflict.
Well, my impressions are... mixed. The movie have its good sides, but also the bad sides.
The first part was too jerky and chaotic, for my personal point of view. But close to the middle, the situation improved considerably, and the ending was really fun and enjoyable. The characters became much more developed, and... just generally closer to their TOS "originals". And the POWER OF MUSIC!!! as weapon was just awesome, as well as all USS "Franklin" scenes.
But:
- The whole Kraal character definitedly underdeveloped. Too little actual characterization... and, basically, too mundane villianous. Even such stereotype as "test-weapon-on-prisoners"... seriously, it's so overused! Be just a bit original with villains - let them use white mice for a change!
- The "bioweapon" subplot just make no sence. All those troubles - just for a weapon with the destructive power of small-scale nuclear charge? And how could Kraal be sure that by attacking the "Enterprise" he would be able to obtain the weapon? What if the ship would be destroyed during attack? He wasn't even able to found the weapon inside his own prison camp, how could he possibly hoped to found the small metal plate in thousand tons of starship debries?
- And of course the Abram's Stupidly Dense Combat Formations... Seriously? He really could not think of anything better than a ramming drones (without even shields!), which attack the starship in ridiculously dence formations? A few old-fashioned neutron blasts would just took out the whole swarm instantly, and I failed to understood, how could photon torpedoes - antimatter weapon, for Pete's sake! - be "ineffective" against such perfect targets.
The first part was too jerky and chaotic, for my personal point of view. But close to the middle, the situation improved considerably, and the ending was really fun and enjoyable. The characters became much more developed, and... just generally closer to their TOS "originals". And the POWER OF MUSIC!!! as weapon was just awesome, as well as all USS "Franklin" scenes.
But:
- The whole Kraal character definitedly underdeveloped. Too little actual characterization... and, basically, too mundane villianous. Even such stereotype as "test-weapon-on-prisoners"... seriously, it's so overused! Be just a bit original with villains - let them use white mice for a change!
- The "bioweapon" subplot just make no sence. All those troubles - just for a weapon with the destructive power of small-scale nuclear charge? And how could Kraal be sure that by attacking the "Enterprise" he would be able to obtain the weapon? What if the ship would be destroyed during attack? He wasn't even able to found the weapon inside his own prison camp, how could he possibly hoped to found the small metal plate in thousand tons of starship debries?
- And of course the Abram's Stupidly Dense Combat Formations... Seriously? He really could not think of anything better than a ramming drones (without even shields!), which attack the starship in ridiculously dence formations? A few old-fashioned neutron blasts would just took out the whole swarm instantly, and I failed to understood, how could photon torpedoes - antimatter weapon, for Pete's sake! - be "ineffective" against such perfect targets.
The torpedoes did not hit anything. They went right through the swarm.
The phasers were not fast enough to lock on to the idividual swarm ships to destroy them. There were just too many enemy ships.
Maybe they can show less previews? My goodness, after like the 5th or 6th trailer, I'm like get on with the damn movie already. This is already after the previews starting a few minutes late, and then having to sit through another damn Coke commercial after the previews. Sorry, needed to rant on how much time is spent on this stuff, lol.
And what forbade to just detonate them with proximity sensors? Or command control? Or simply set time for detonation?
Please, it's impossible to put any sense in J.J. Abrams apparent inability to imagine space combat that wouldn't need hand-to-hand combat distances and zero relative velocities.
You do realize J.J. didn't direct this movie, right?
Sorry. My obvious mistake.
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