Was it the original 'Voyager' crew at the end?

[somebuddyX]

Here's a thought...which of the episodes post Demon are actual voyager and which not? Is there an alternate set of stories, contacts with alien races etc, that won't be remembered by the 'real' voyager crew but nonetheless happened. Could the Doctor at minimum have survived because he exists as software and is transferable?
We have already had one alternate Janeway live to present time, and another alternate crew member also in various media.

My feeling is that if the writers were playing fair with us then the only time we saw the liquid crew was Demon and Course:Oblivion. I really like that idea of the liquid-Doctor being salvageable because I think it would have been nice for something of them to live on. This idea sucks, but I always wanted the Living Witness Backup-Doctor to come back in time and rescue the liquid-crew whilst taking them forward to his time.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Voyager's continuity is so weird, especially after all the time travel episodes, I think we should just be glad that a version of the Voyager crew made it home!

As opposed to two or three versions

 

[LJones41]

This is what happened in "Deadlock":

Voyager traveled through a dense nebula in an effort to avoid the Vidiians. When the ship left the nebula, a duplicate ship was created. The original Voyager was damaged, but the duplicate was not. The original Naomi Wildman died after her mother Samantha Wildman gave birth to her (for technical reasons). The original Harry Kim fell to his death through a hull breach. The Vidiians detected the duplicate Voyager and boarded it. Janeway of the duplicate ship ordered her Harry Kim to take a healthy and very alive Naomi Wildman to the damaged original Voyager. The Vidiians killed several members of the duplicate Voyager's crew, including Tuvok and Tom Paris. Janeway of the duplicate Voyager destroyed it and the Vidiians, via a self-destruct sequence. The original Voyager remained intact, but damaged by the end of the episode. Among its new crewmembers were the duplicate Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman.

My feeling is that if the writers were playing fair with us then the only time we saw the liquid crew was Demon and Course:Oblivion. I really like that idea of the liquid-Doctor being salvageable because I think it would have been nice for something of them to live on.

Due to its unusual bio-neural circuitry, Voyager was duplicated on the Demon class, along with its crew. Since the ship was slowly falling apart, as long as it and the crew were away from the Demon planet, the Doctor was not salvageable, since it was part of the ship's systems in the first place.

 

[jaime]

This is what happened in "Deadlock":

Voyager traveled through a dense nebula in an effort to avoid the Vidiians. When the ship left the nebula, a duplicate ship was created. The original Voyager was damaged, but the duplicate was not. The original Naomi Wildman died after her mother Samantha Wildman gave birth to her (for technical reasons). The original Harry Kim fell to his death through a hull breach. The Vidiians detected the duplicate Voyager and boarded it. Janeway of the duplicate ship ordered her Harry Kim to take a healthy and very alive Naomi Wildman to the damaged original Voyager. The Vidiians killed several members of the duplicate Voyager's crew, including Tuvok and Tom Paris. Janeway of the duplicate Voyager destroyed it and the Vidiians, via a self-destruct sequence. The original Voyager remained intact, but damaged by the end of the episode. Among its new crewmembers were the duplicate Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman.



Due to its unusual bio-neural circuitry, Voyager was duplicated on the Demon class, along with its crew. Since the ship was slowly falling apart, as long as it and the crew were away from the Demon planet, the Doctor was not salvageable, since it was part of the ship's systems in the first place.

He's software though. So any of the various ways of copying his program that we have seen on the show could have worked.

 

[LJones41]

He's software though. So any of the various ways of copying his program that we have seen on the show could have worked.

The "copy" of that program would have to get off the ship, like it did in "Living Witness". And the events that led to the Doctor's original backup program getting lost in "Living Witness" happened BEFORE "Demon". Otherwise, the Doctor's program is tethered to the ship, except when he is wearing the mobile emitter. And since the Demon Doctor was busy dealing with dying crewmen in Sick Bay, why would he be wearing the mobile emitter?

 

[somebuddyX]

The "copy" of that program would have to get off the ship, like it did in "Living Witness". And the events that led to the Doctor's original backup program getting lost in "Living Witness" happened BEFORE "Demon". Otherwise, the Doctor's program is tethered to the ship, except when he is wearing the mobile emitter. And since the Demon Doctor was busy dealing with dying crewmen in Sick Bay, why would he be wearing the mobile emitter?

I believe the original suggestion was just that the liquid-Doctor's data could have been transferred to the real Voyager if events had gone a bit differently.

 

[jaime]

I believe the original suggestion was just that the liquid-Doctor's data could have been transferred to the real Voyager if events had gone a bit differently.

Basically that it is/was possible.

Did they revert to a liquid? Cam the liquid hold coded information? Is there a block of frozen stuff in the delta quadrant full of voyager?

There's many possibilities in sci-fi.

 

[Finn]

Voyager's continuity is so weird, especially after all the time travel episodes, I think we should just be glad that a version of the Voyager crew made it home!

Yes. There has been threads where it was questioned whether the reset button in Year of Hell eradicated the entire series up to then, or the events of their journey from the caretaker array to Kremin Space had been different from what we saw.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Also, I wonder if what we'd seen up until "Latent Image" was a censored version of the show, with Jetal edited out. Yes, that should only really count for scenes from the Doc's POV, but that's the impression the episode gave me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yes. There has been threads where it was questioned whether the reset button in Year of Hell eradicated the entire series up to then, or the events of their journey from the caretaker array to Kremin Space had been different from what we saw.

I would think it'd just be the latter. Why would events that had nothing to do with the Krenim be affected?

 

[Finn]

We encountered the Kremin no more than a year after they transversed the Nekrit Expanse. Close enough for the historic changes of Kremin Imperium and their neighborhoods to spill across the other side of the Nekrit Expanse. Kremin space doesn't exist within a closed system.

I was always under the impression the first two season wasn't truly a two-year journey and we don't really know when Voyager left the Nekrit Expanse. In the Darkling, they talked as if they were still inside but we didn't see the nebulous clouds of the expanse.

 

[jaime]

I would think it'd just be the latter. Why would events that had nothing to do with the Krenim be affected?

Because that's the whole point underlying the story in Year of Hell. Butterfly effect. The Krenim don't go through their whole time travelling thing. Their Empire is different to how Voyager first encounters it. For some reason they don't trade with race x, who traded with y, who traded with z and suddenly theres a different Commander to one of those Kazon ships in Caretaker because he didn't go into a trade chain that goes all the way to the imperium. Suddenly the Val Jean is too crippled to perform Chakotays suicide run, and the Array is damaged but not destroyed. Events are now similar but different. Perhaps big, perhaps small, perhaps Chakotay now has persistent pain from an injury he sustained in that attack.
Its one possibility among many.

Star Trek Online did something recently with its own Anorrax.

 

[jaime]

We encountered the Kremin no more than a year after they transversed the Nekrit Expanse. Close enough for the historic changes of Kremin Imperium and their neighborhoods to spill across the other side of the Nekrit Expanse. Kremin space doesn't exist within a closed system.

I was always under the impression the first two season wasn't truly a two-year journey and we don't really know when Voyager left the Nekrit Expanse. In the Darkling, they talked as if they were still inside but we didn't see the nebulous clouds of the expanse.

It wasn't..at the very least venue episodes were carried across those seasons. I think TNG even seems to take place over 8 years not 7 when the crew start talking about how long they have been on board.

 

[ItIsGreen]

Otherwise, the Doctor's program is tethered to the ship, except when he is wearing the mobile emitter. And since the Demon Doctor was busy dealing with dying crewmen in Sick Bay, why would he be wearing the mobile emitter?

But the Demon mobile emitter would also be made of the Demon liquid and therefore degrade, the same as the rest of Voyager. IF they encountered someone with the ability to copy his program before the systems that held it degraded, then yeah I suppose it would be possible to salvage him.

 

[Archimago]

The doctor defenitly would've been unsalvagable, this is due to the fact that yes his actual coding isn't made out of the liquid, but it has to be stored somewhere and it's like trying to store binary in space it isn't capable of holding data. Unless the goo can retain data, in which case maybe but it would degrade in space...

Tbh I'm not really sure what you guys are talking about in terms of relativity! Although in the relaunch book a pocket full of lies a lot of the Krenim issues are tackled! And maybe Kristin Beyer might tackle this metallic goo in one of her future books you never know