Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oh I hated on Luke for a few things........

But I don't think it is at all a detriment to have Rey have some kind of special heritage, or be born of the Force. I think that would be interesting.

 

[Reverend]

^You perhaps. The VAST majority of the audience: not so much.

Anyway; Interesting how?
Personally I find a character that has to earn what they obtain and work to achieve their goals far more interesting than some mindless puppet of destiny.

Besides, they've already told that story. People are complaining enough that the new films are just retreading the old and yet now they want to do the whole "Chosen One conceived by the midichlorians" thing again? Wasn't that by a long mile one of the most lambasted elements of previous Star Wars movies?

All that aside, it's entirely unnecessary.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well I guess I'm a special snowflake

I really did hate on TPM with Anni's abilities....... I wanted Sebulba to squish him.

 

[JD]

I picked up the Deluxe Edition of the Lego TFA game today. I'll probably start playing it with my mom tomorrow.

 

[fireproof78]

What if indeed.
Honestly there's no reason to suspect that and it wouldn't really change anything if it were the case.

I do't like to think this way, but with all the squirming going on, I can't help but wonder if the reason so many are unwilling to just accept that Rey has hard earned talents and some natural ability really is because of her gender.

Did people scrutinise Luke or Anakin as much? I mean a presumably home schooled slave who can build droids, pod racers and has reflexes well beyond the norm for his species? And can pilot a starfighter with ZERO training? I mean if you just stuck a Formula One driver in the cockpit of an F22 mid-flight, would we expect them to survive a dogfight? Luke is *slightly* more credible in this regard, but it's still the equivalent of a crop duster being trusted with a supersonic jet.

I started to scrutinize Luke more in ESB than necessarily in ANH. He at least had wingmen who were supporting him, and giving him some support, and the Force as well (Obi-wan is talking to him too).

Anakin-I never bought. Sorry, just never bought that he was powerful. He felt cocky, overbearing and irritating and never earned a single thing.

As for Rey, I highly doubt it's about gender, but I could be wrong. The common complaint I see is that Rey appears to be defeating a trained lightsaber wielder without using the weapon before. This fails to account for a). Kylo being wounded and not fully trained and b). Rey being skilled in combat even if she hasn't used a lightsaber.

I can buy Luke, I can buy Rey even more and Anakin-just no.

^You perhaps. The VAST majority of the audience: not so much.

Anyway; Interesting how?
Personally I find a character that has to earn what they obtain and work to achieve their goals far more interesting than some mindless puppet of destiny.

Besides, they've already told that story. People are complaining enough that the new films are just retreading the old and yet now they want to do the whole "Chosen One conceived by the midichlorians" thing again? Wasn't that by a long mile one of the most lambasted elements of previous Star Wars movies?

All that aside, it's entirely unnecessary.

I think the midichlorians was more the lambasted part, with the Chosen One feeling more tacked on to tell us that Anakin was powerful rather than actually showing us.

Well I guess I'm a special snowflake

I really did hate on TPM with Anni's abilities....... I wanted Sebulba to squish him.

That's interesting.

 

[cooleddie74]

I didn't mind the concept that Anakin's astonishing midichlorian count pinpointed him as the most powerful Jedi in recorded history, but that having been said....little followup on that was achieved. Sure, his piloting skills were incredible and his swordsmanship with a lightsaber was amongst the best in the entire Jedi Order, but aside from some occasional demonstrations of his powers in the Prequels and in episodes of The Clone Wars he never seemed like the most powerful Jedi Knight in the galaxy.

We were supposed to take George's word that he was the most powerful Jedi in history even when Anakin's actions and behavior often didn't seem to reflect it.

 

[Set Harth]

We were supposed to take George's word that he was the most powerful Jedi in history

But did George actually say that? All we got was the implication that he had the highest midichlorian count that any of the currently living Jedi had ever seen. That's not exactly the same thing. In this sense midichlorian count may represent potential as opposed to actualized power. It is possible that Anakin could have attained something like that potential had he not been injured. Also, it isn't necessarily the case that the current Jedi have full knowledge of everything that happened in the prior history of the order. Knowledge may have been lost.

Unless she's a tank grown clone of Nomi Sunstrider...

She could be a tank-grown clone of someone...

sort of this franchise's X-23?

 

[cooleddie74]

But did George actually say that?

He implied it and very heavily over the course of three films. In my opinion he intended us to believe so.

 

[Set Harth]

He implied it and very heavily over the course of three films. In my opinion he intended us to believe so.

It didn't look that way to me. Anakin didn't seem to do anything that special or anything that was noticeably overpowered by comparison to the other Jedi. And when he and Obi-Wan were Force-pushing each other they were evenly matched.

 

[USS Firefly]

I thought Anakin had the potential to become the most powerful Jedi in time, maybe in his 30's or 40's?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Messa luv you. Messa big the Force ...... I's a go now

 

[C.E. Evans]

I thought Anakin had the potential to become the most powerful Jedi in time, maybe in his 30's or 40's?

That was the thing being stressed throughout the prequels. His potential. Even Palpatine saw it. Among other Jedi his age--which probably were still padawans rather than full-fledged knights--Anakin was likely far ahead of them at the height of the Clone Wars.

 

[USS Firefly]

I agree, with halve the training Anakin had( he started training at age 9,10), he surpassed maybe all the other Jedi his age.
So if he had made it to his 30's or 40's who knows how powerful he could become

 

[Cyrus]

I have to turn in my nerd card as somehow I didn't see this movie in theaters. But finally saw it on TV. I thought it was OK but not great, better than prequels (which is faint praise) but not in the class of the original 2 movies. So now I have been kind of disappointed in 5 of the 7 SW movies.

 

[Set Harth]

I have to turn in my nerd card as somehow I didn't see this movie in theaters.

You must atone by seeing the next one in 3D IMAX.

 

[LJones41]

I'd rather shoot myself.

 

[cooleddie74]

I can't wait for the film to come out on brain chip implant with all the deleted scenes you can't fit on the Blu ray.

 

[fireproof78]

I have to turn in my nerd card as somehow I didn't see this movie in theaters. But finally saw it on TV. I thought it was OK but not great, better than prequels (which is faint praise) but not in the class of the original 2 movies. So now I have been kind of disappointed in 5 of the 7 SW movies.

I'm curious why you said the original 2?

I'd rather shoot myself.

That seems like an overreaction.

 

[Cyrus]

I'm curious why you said the original 2?

Sorry I meant the first 2 movies that were made (episodes 4 & 5). Is it wrong to refer to them as original?

 

[fireproof78]

Sorry I meant the first 2 movies that were made (episodes 4 & 5). Is it wrong to refer to them as original?

No, not at all. I generally here the originals meaning three films, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi-the Original Trilogy. So, I wasn't sure of your meaning.

I appreciate the clarification.