But you have no idea since you haven't seen the movie. It is a knee jerk reaction to the word "gay".
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But you have no idea since you haven't seen the movie. It is a knee jerk reaction to the word "gay".
Life is made also of this. Life is not abstract. everything is part of our life. even a show that i started to watch as a little kid. Its part of my imagination.
We are all here posting about star trek..according to your point that is silly too.
No, i already explained that. It was only an example. My point was that things could have be done more naturally.
That was my point.I hope you can get that. My english is far from perfect.
It is a knee jerk reaction to alter a established character. Just that
I started watching as a little kid as well. Then I grew up. Growing up, I realized change is at the heart of what we are?
Where did I hear that?
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Not at all. What is silly is expecting Star Trek to be this unchanging entity. What is silly is for it to not respect fifty years of growth and change in society.
No more "forced" than giving Spock a brother, Kirk a birthplace in Iowa or McCoy a Southern accent. New layers, new background information and more texture to the character.
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John Cho's Sulu isn't altered. He has always been gay.
Since 2007?
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Since the character was born in the alternate reality, @Guy Gardener, but surely you knew what I meant.
Unfortunately they did not hear Mr Takey advice. The pressure was so big that they did not care. That is why i will not see the movie. I do not like to feel forced. When i am forced to something my natural reaction is to fight.
They do not understand that making things like that will be worse for the LGBT equality to be accepted.
He, himself suggested that a new character should have be created.
They do not understand that making things like that will be worse for the LGBT equality to be accepted.
I admire very much Mr George Takei, and even more after this.
He, himself suggested that a new character should have be created.
Nope.
Hikaru is three years older than Kirk.
Prime Sulu and Kelvin Sulu where the same genetically and developmentally identical person for their first 3 years before Nero split the timeline.
It's most likely that both Sulu are Gay.
What pressure? From whom? From what I understand it was a their free choice and own idea to add this minor personal detail about Sulu. No one expected them to do this in their movie. Also, why should they be requiered to listen to George Takei's advice? They told him out of respect for him and his work, not because they seeked his approval.
Honest question: And you don't feel this is an overreaction? Even a little bit? I mean, we are talking about a minor character detail that probably will equal to two seconds in the actual movie. And this is enough to make you not want to see the movie? I must say, I'm not convinced you wanted to see this movie in the first place. Did you have similar reactions to other things in entertainment before?
I think I get what you are saying re: not liking to feel forced. Who likes that? I do however think that in this day and age the issue of LGBTQ equality is an issue that should and must be forced onto some people. I'm convinced it's much more meaningful to have Sulu, an established regular character with no real prior history of any sexual preference, be a gay character than a completely new one. With a new character closed-minded people can choose to simply ignore it. But with Sulu, a character they know and/or like for decades, it's much easier to see that this doesn't really change who Sulu is and why he's likeable in the first place.
So I guess what I'm saying is having a new character come out as gay just wouldn't be as strong and meaningful. And if it rubs some closed-minded bigots the wrong way, all the better. Maybe they will start to see that being LGBTQ doesn't change whether a person is likeable or capable.
You know, other than some Trek fans (& Takei) who haven't even watched the movie, I haven't seen anyone else have a problem or feel that the Sulu thing is forced.
Certainly no one that has actually watched and reviewed the film. (feel free to correct me if I've missed something).
Certainly no one that has actually watched and reviewed the film. (feel free to correct me if I've missed something).
It seems all your questions are already answered on your own argument.
If you think that LGBTQ equality must be learned by force..i do not. For me as i said this has the exact opposite effect.
In life (or in this case a tv show) what is done naturally has must better chances to be accepted. By force..? i do not believe that. I can be wrong ofc.
In my heart all people that are good people are equal to me. All people that respect me, have my respect.
You don't have to force anything, if you apply enough lube.
Is it possible that you have never used lube?
Because I think that you do not think that you think it is what it the rest of us think it is.
Buy some lube.
Play around.
Make a weekend of it.
You're welcome.
Because I think that you do not think that you think it is what it the rest of us think it is.
Buy some lube.
Play around.
Make a weekend of it.
You're welcome.
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