Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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The new Imperial droids remind me of the SD-10 battle droids from the Dark Empire comics, though much smaller.
For the most part, I'd say the changes they made were vast improvements.
Mandalorians as pacifists trying to move on from their violent past and struggling with extremist factions in a time when the rest of the galaxy is at war is much more interesting to me than a bunch of fetishised space Vikings.
Tying both Maul and Ventress's backstories to Dathomir game them both a much richer and interesting history and agency within the galaxy. They even kept 90% of the rest of Ventress's original backstory more or less intact. Also, it made Dathomir interesting again. People forget just how stupid the old 'Courtship of Princess Leia' novel really was. Seriously, go read it again if you don't believe me.
Their version of Darth Bane looks way better than that over-designed squiggly mess from the comics and makes more sense as part of a visual lineage that includes Vader.
I know, I just meant the ghost crew specifically as individuals, not just rebels in general and that Sabine may be especially vulnerable on this count.
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I think you put the wrong quote in the second part of your post there.
I didn't have a problem with most of the changes that they made, but it's still cool to see such a direct adaptation.
Oh, yeah Courtship of Princess Leia is a very strange book. I enjoyed it overall, but it's very very weird.
I didn't have a problem with most of the changes that they made, but it's still cool to see such a direct adaptation.
Oh, yeah Courtship of Princess Leia is a very strange book. I enjoyed it overall, but it's very very weird.
I think that is a flash back IMO, Sabine was in the Academy.
Also, they brought in Zahn to help with Thrawn, and Zahn is also writing a new (canon) book about him.
I'm glad we're getting Thrawn in some form. Apparently Timothy Zahn is doing a new canon book called Thrawn which will be released next year, and I'm extremely excited for it (I love all of Zahn's Star Wars work). I really, really wish they weren't wasting Thrawn on Rebels. He's too good a villain to be stuck on a show written so badly and for such a young (early elementary school) demographic. Still, as long as they don't kill him off or, I don't know, make him a friend of the space owls, the new canon might still be able to use him in some good stories. Then again, this is Rebels. So, Ezra will probably out think Thrawn then kick his butt easily just to make sure that the character loses all credibility for all time. 
I obviously won't be watching his Rebels appearances, but he's my favorite SW villain and I'm excited to see him come back, even if he deserves much better and hopefully will get treated well in the books. I hope this is the last old EU character that Rebels reintroduces, though. If I even hear a hint of Mara Jade, I'll probably go into a rage/terror induced coma
I obviously won't be watching his Rebels appearances, but he's my favorite SW villain and I'm excited to see him come back, even if he deserves much better and hopefully will get treated well in the books. I hope this is the last old EU character that Rebels reintroduces, though. If I even hear a hint of Mara Jade, I'll probably go into a rage/terror induced coma
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Indeed I did. Rectified.
Well it's not really an adaptation on anything that existed before, rather they're porting a character into a new story. If it was a direct adaptation it'd be the whole 'Outbound Flight' thing which I don't see them doing. What's important to me though is that they get the core of the character right, which they certainly seem to have done. Honestly, Thrawn works much better without all that convoluted back story about crazy Jedi clones, distant alien threats and racist Palpatine playing favourites.
If they're just taking his core character traits and just have him be from a semi-obscure world of the old Republic who rose through the ranks in the Clone Wars, I'd be perfectly fine with it.
It's bonkers and more than a little creepy. I mean the idea that Han could win a whole planet in a card game and then decide the best way to deal with Leia considering an arranged marriage (side note: Leia considered going through with an arranged marriage) is to *forcibly abduct* her and take her to said planet is just awful on so many levels. Also, it's a planet inhabited by force wielding Amazons that ride on Rancors and treat men as slaves and yet these are the good guys because the baddies are exactly the same, they just have an evil sounding name.
Also-also by an astonishing co-incidence Yoda also once visited this planet. Because this explains how Luke is there and also not bashing Han over the head for kidnapping his sister.
Then there's the Hapes who are so OP, they could apparently wipe out the whole Imperial Remnant within the year if they felt like it (where were these guys when planets were being blown up? Also, why would Palpatine tolerate such a massive threat having free reign in the galaxy?) But they don't because Prince No-Brain instead married the Rancor lady with no concept on indoor plumbing, thus dooming the galaxy to endless Imperial remnant merry-go-round plots, Solo twin kidnappings and the horror's of KJA's writing skills.
My personal favourite though is how the main antagonist (an utterly ridiculous cartoon character of a villain that make Skeleton look like he totally has his shit together) manages to get his massive indestructible ship destroyed *twice*. No, not two different ships, the same ship twice in the same book because apparently by the end the author had forgotten how the book started. I can only assume the editor's brain was too numbed by the terrible prose for this to register.
Other than that (and the painful 3PO song and dance number) it was quite enjoyable...
That's was my first thought too, but that seems to be Wedge standing next to her and the scene seems to be Sato welcoming them all into the rebellion. Also, I don't think they've ever done an in-narrative flashback before. The closest they've ever come is a tiny glimpse at Ahsoka as a toddler in TCW during the prologue intro.
Alternate possibility: Sabine dyed her hair and infiltrated the squadron in order to help them defect.
...and with that sentence I loose any interest in anything else you have to say on the subject.
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They've done fine with Tarkin and Vader without making them feel weak.
Did you even watch the series, or even Season 2? I wouldn't let any kids in Elementary school watch this. Middle school maybe.
Vader couldn't even kill Kanan. That's like Han being unable to shoot a random storm trooper. Actually, its like Han sneaking up on an unarmed, asleep, storm trooper and missing from point blank range. I get the concept of "plot shields" that protect main characters, but come on. Tarkin and Vader weren't even remotely threatening. They get by as villains based solely on their prior appearances from the movies/books/etc. If they were brand new characters on the show they'd be as lame and generic as the bland evil force users the show had been using before them.
I watched up until the space whales in Season 2 (skipping a few episodes in Season 2 because they were extremely irritating even a few minutes in). I had to stop at that episode, or I'd have completely lost it. I'll admit that the violence in more then you'd see in a younger kids show, but the actually stories and writing quality are, in my opinion, at the level of young kids shows. Kind of like those terrible Marvel Superhero cartoons that Disney is putting out right now. Its like if Barney was written exactly as it normally is (was?), but they added a bunch of violence to it. Same level of writing, just with violence.
At least, that's my opinion on the show. Its a show for young elementary school kids about a 12 year old space Aladdin who is super ultra awesome and cool and rad and has a laser slingshot and flies on a ship with a crew that has about three brain cells between them. Also, the robot is just outright evil for reasons that I don't think even the creator's know. Even as someone who still unapologetically loves the Power Rangers, I just find Rebels to be way too young skewing and with the same lack of effort usually put into shows for the younger age group.
Vader wanted Kanan and Ezra to escape IIRC. Lead them to the rest of the Rebels.
Keep watching Season 2, it gets better. The Finale was amazing (minus one very stupid thing) And in Season 3 trailer Ezra doesn't even feel like 'Space Aladdin'
He hasn't had that Slingshot since Season 1, and in Season 3 he has a real blaster now, there is a time skip and hes older.
Keep watching Season 2, it gets better. The Finale was amazing (minus one very stupid thing) And in Season 3 trailer Ezra doesn't even feel like 'Space Aladdin'
He hasn't had that Slingshot since Season 1, and in Season 3 he has a real blaster now, there is a time skip and hes older.
I've always enjoyed the show but things really picked up after space whales. Starting with The Honorable Ones in particular.
Unless the time skip is a decade, and Ezra died during the skip, I won't even consider watching. The show was never great. I didn't like Season 1 very much, it was tolerable with potential but not great TV. I only lasted as long as I did in Season 2 because TCW also had a mediocre first season, so I wanted to give Rebels a fair shot. It paid me back by killing Ahsoka (after making her the most incompetent force user on a show where one of the force users is 12). The show wore out its last chance with me a long time ago. I really want a good Star Wars show. I'd even settle for TCW levels of mixed quality. There were parts of Rebels I liked, but in the end they didn't compensate for the kiddie writing or characters like Ezra and Chopper just being terrible. The Captain Planet-like "Save the Space Whales" episode was the final straw. If the show got rid of Ezra, Chopper, Sabine and Zeb completely, got a completely new writing staff and hand waved Ahsoka back into existence, I might glance at it again. If it caught me on a good day, I might even tolerate Zeb and Sabine if they got rid of the other stuff. I know that won't happen, so I won't be watching any part of it again.
TCW was an average show with good premise that had a lot of bad episodes/ideas ideas but was saved by occasional excellence. Rebels is a terrible show with a mediocre premise that is written by writers who have either long since stopped caring, or who just can't write decent stuff at this point. A great creative team, without Disney's overseer's, could probably have made Rebels premise and made it good. But, that didn't happen, and I can't stand the result.
Edit: I gave in to curiosity and glanced at the season 3 trailer.
WEDGE ANTILLES WAS NEVER AN IMPERIAL PILOT. Is there anything Rebels can't destroy? Also, I like how Aladdin at 12-15 makes Obi-Wan as a jedi master look like a wimp. What the hell was up with his jedi master force skills? Hell, he is apparently now more skilled then Kana ever was.
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Ahsoka isn't dead.
Well maybe. her fate is up in the air. Dave Filoni said at Celebration this week that he did consider her fate sealeled, but with the fan reaction he said he may have changed his mind.
She won't show up in Rebels again, but she may appear in other places.
Regarding your spoiler, LucasFIlm destroyed the canon 3 years ago. Where have you been? Everyone's backstory is up in the air now, if it wasn't established in Clone Wars or the movies. Anything can happen.
If that change bothers you, then you should probably just stop following any new material.
Well maybe. her fate is up in the air. Dave Filoni said at Celebration this week that he did consider her fate sealeled, but with the fan reaction he said he may have changed his mind.
She won't show up in Rebels again, but she may appear in other places.
Regarding your spoiler, LucasFIlm destroyed the canon 3 years ago. Where have you been? Everyone's backstory is up in the air now, if it wasn't established in Clone Wars or the movies. Anything can happen.
If that change bothers you, then you should probably just stop following any new material.
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The last we've seen of Ahsoka so far was the silhouette of her walking away somewhere around or within the Sith fortress at the end of the season two finale.
If there's any doubt, I'm calling it: Not Dead.
Edited my post with a bit more info.
She is getting her own novel that takes place right after Order 66.
FYI Dave considers all the unreleased Clone Wars stories to be canon. That is why Ahsoka recognizes Darth Maul in the Season 2 Finale, she met him during the Siege of Mandalore, that was going to be shown in Clone Wars had they gotten the chance.
Some Ahsoka spoilers, this would have been in a future season of Clone Wars had they gotten more.
There was story arc that had her come back to the republic (but not the jedi) and still help fight. Anakin gave her command of a battalion of 501st troops lead by Rex, while he and Obi-Wan ran off to save the Chancellor. They would have shown Order 66 on Mandalore.
When Anakin turned to the Dark Side, Ahsoka couldn't sense him anymore, which is why she thought he was dead.
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Very interesting!
While I'll always consider the old EU to be the real star Wars (its what made me a SW fan, not the movies [as good as they are]), I liked Episode VII and I've liked a bunch of the books and comics in the new canon. I'm up for the new canon, just like how I can like superhero comics from different universes. That doesn't mean I don't think some things are stupid, and obviously they can mine the old canon when they want to.
As for Ahsoka, I'm mostly just annoyed that Rebels is getting stuff the books should have gotten. Both Ahsoka and Thrawn should have had books focused on them, books written by adults for at the very least a general audience over a saturday morning cartoon audience.I can pretend she never appeared on Rebels easily enough, it won't effect the SW universe in general to just ignore her appearances. But since she did appear on the show, we won't get any books about her further adventures or fate, so ignoring the show means just accepting that she disappears without a trace after TCW cartoon, which gets on my nerves as a SW fan.
Not only that, its a cartoon that has way too much influence to canon. The cartoon shouldn't lead the franchise in anything. It should be the last rung on the "technically canon" ladder. Let the books get the big characters like Ahsoka, Thrawn, and *Spoiler character*. Rebels should get, I don't know, characters like Nien Nub and maybe some cast away Clone Wars characters like the annoying pirate.
Basically, its trying to become a cartoon that's hard to ignore if you're into Star Wars for the EU as much as the movies, and that really sucks. I want to ignore it. I don't particularly like talking about it. But, it won't let me give it the lack of attention it deserves, because the creators of it have too much influence, but no longer have the tools to use that influence to make a good show.
Why not have Pablo & Dave describe it in their own words?
Side note: when we last saw Ahsoka on Malachor she wan't just wandering around the temple, that doorway has a very specific meaning. It was the same one Ezra emerged from with Maul earlier on and it leads down into the catacombs. The underworld you might say. So it's figurative death, if not actually literal death.
Also, for those that missed it on the panel, Filloni did some artwork for the Topps trading card people that shows some more of what was going on there and showed six out of the total set of ten.
I'm usually pretty dense when it come to interpreting symbolism, imagery and metaphor, but I think I get a general sense of what's going on here.
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