space + film noir?

[Zaku]

Nope.

I disagree. Visually and thematically it checks every noir box.

Proyas himself said that he was inspired by noir movies of the 1940s and the 1950s (such as The Maltese Falcon) .

And from an interview from CineFantistique:

Question: It does emphasize that film noir paranoia to maximum effect.

Alex Proyas: Sure, I think it’s heart is much more film noir than possibly science fiction. It sort of evolved into a science fiction film, but it started off as an exploration of reality.

And Rober Ebert

The story combines science fiction with film noir--in more ways than we realize and more surprising ways than I will reveal.

And Variety

This is essentially an old film noir amnesiac yarn, set in a hostile urban environment defined by late ’40s noir (“Dark City” could easily have served as the title for just about any noir ever made). But tale is shot through with a futuristic element that vastly increases the visual opportunities beyond dark shadows on slick city streets.

And Wikipedia (I know, I know)

Dark City is a 1998 American neo-noir science fiction film directed by Alex Proyas.

But of course you're entitled to your opinion

 

[sojourner]

But it fails the "space" part. Noir, yes. Space, no.

 

[Zaku]

But it fails the "space" part. Noir, yes. Space, no.

I disagree again because

Spoiler: Spoiler about a twist

The city was floating in the space

 

[sojourner]

As has been addressed in this thread that's a reveal at the end. It doesn't fit the OP's request.

 

[Zaku]

As has been addressed in this thread that's a reveal at the end. It doesn't fit the OP's request.

Sorry, I just read it. But still I don't understand on what basis it doesn't fit. In a lot of "space" scifi movies you can change the setting from outer space to Earth and still have the same basic plot, from Star Wars to Galatica.

 

[sojourner]

The OP want's Noir set in space, like The Expanse. Where it's an integral part of the story. Put it this way, if you saw all of Dark City but the very end, would you think it qualifies? It may be in space on a technicality, but then, as someone else said in this thread, all noir would qualify because Earth is a planet in space.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The OP want's Noir set in space, like The Expanse. Where it's an integral part of the story. Put it this way, if you saw all of Dark City but the very end, would you think it qualifies? It may be in space on a technicality, but then, as someone else said in this thread, all noir would qualify because Earth is a planet in space.

No.

By definition, outer space is beyond Earth. It is a term that has had a recognized definition for decades.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outer space:

space immediately outside the earth's atmosphere; broadly
:
interplanetary or interstellar space

This is the sense of the term as used in, for example Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

Stories set entirely on Earth do not qualify as taking place at all in outer space, by definition. Leave the Earth's atmosphere, though, and you've been in outer space. It's what the qualification "outer" does

Generally, though not always, when people talk about "space travel," they mean travel in outer space.

We've already had the Dark City discussion. If, even on a technicality, it takes place entirely in outer space.

*insert beating dead horse meme*

 

[sojourner]

So, why are you pedantically beating this dead horse? It's already been explained that Dark City does not fit the definition of the OP's request.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

And, I've explained that I disagree with your explanation. It's really that simple.

I even said up thread that Earth is special, without getting into details. But since it's apparently still unclear what I meant by that, it was time to clarify.

 

[Zaku]

^^ I believe that only the OP can say if a movie fit or don't fit his/her request. And by the way, I agree with @CorporalCaptain

 

[sojourner]

And, I've explained that I disagree with your explanation. It's really that simple.

You can disagree, but it doesn't make you right. Nice job adding "outer" just so you could drag in an appeal to a higher authority in discreditting the "earth in space" example given.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You can disagree, but it doesn't make you right.

Likewise. We can go "yes"/"no" forever.

Nice job adding "outer" just so you could drag in an appeal to a higher authority in discreditting the "earth in space" example given.

Generally, though not always, when people talk about "space travel," they mean travel in outer space.

It's not my fault that terms mean what they mean. I didn't make them up.

 

[sojourner]

Um, you introduced the term in order to fit your argument.

I'll say this again regarding Dark City. If you hadn't seen the last five minutes would you consider it an (I'll even use the qualifier you introduced to the argument) "outer space" noir movie? Would you even know it was set in "outer space"? Is there any aspect to the story that revolves around "outer space"?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Um, you introduced the term in order to fit your argument.

For heaven's sake, no. I simply elucidated what I was thinking of all along.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

So, apparently, a 1940s/50s era seedy spaceship crewed by a tough, cynical detective wearing a fedora and a femme fatale smoking a cigarette in a holder, ideally filmed in b&w, is required.

 

[sojourner]

I simply elucidated what I was thinking of all along.

We can only go by what you say when you say it. No mind readers here to guess what you meant "all along".

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We can only go by what you say when you say it. No mind readers here to guess what you meant "all along".

Ah, but you get to levy the charge that I was debating disingenuously (as quoted below, what I was replying to). This is completely senseless. I'm out.

Um, you introduced the term in order to fit your argument.

 

[Zaku]

So, apparently, a 1940s/50s era seedy spaceship crewed by a tough, cynical detective wearing a fedora and a femme fatale smoking a cigarette in a holder, ideally filmed in b&w, is required.

Please elaborate

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I guess Tom Paris needs to reprogram the holodeck.

 

[Phoenix219]

Would the show Lexx or the movie Fifth Element count?