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DC Comics is doing new versions of The Flintstones, Johnny Quest, Scooby Doo, Wacky Races

Future Quest is great. It's every dream I had at six years old, while siting in front of the TV on Saturday morning.
Scooby Doo Apocalypse would be fine, if it wasn't the Scooby Doo characters.
Flintstones, I'm not sure about. Seems a bit to heavy for the Flintstones.
I didn't like Wacky Races as a kid, so I didn't bother with that one.
 
I'm not much of a Hanna Barbera guy, although I watched a lot of Scooby doo repeats as a kid. But as a brand HB was basically dead by the time I was born, outside of reruns and weird stuff like Yo Yo Yogi (glad I was too young to see that one, if I'd been older then 1 when it premiered it probably would have haunted my nightmares to this day :lol:). I only heard about Space Ghost and Birdman because of their Adult Swim shows, and watching a bit of the old Birdman on Boomerang. Still, the two issues of Future Quest so far were really good, even for someone like me who doesn't have a big connection to the characters.
 
I loved the HB stuff. I had a stuffed Huckleberry Hound that I carried around when I was young. My mother was always sewing him up because I wouldn't let her throw it away. :lol:
 
I never really cared for Hanna-Barbera's stuff growing up. I was a Filmation kid. I watched the H-B shows, but I didn't think they were as well-written or as well-made as Filmation's work and I wasn't as attached to them. Sure, their animation wasn't quite as repetitive, but the trade-off was that it was sloppier. And later on they were responsible for so much schlock like The Smurfs and The Snorks and all those churned-out formulaic things. (And let's not forget the crazy Saturday-morning versions they did of prime-time shows like Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, The Dukes of Hazzard, ALF, etc.)

Although they did get better when they came under new management around the start of the '90s, with things like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures and The Pirates of Dark Water. And then later in the decade they had The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, which wasn't bad, and then teamed up with Cartoon Network Studios to do some of its seminal shows like Dexter's Laboratory and The Powerpuff Girls, before pretty much dissolving into CNS and Warner Bros.
 
My first HB experience was with the funny animal stuff: Yogi, Huck, Top Cat, Magilla and such, Later there was Jonny Quest, Herculoids and Birdman. The only Filmation stuff I watched were the DC superhero adaptations and later the Tarzan series they did,
 
The only Filmation stuff I watched were the DC superhero adaptations and later the Tarzan series they did,

Which, I was pleased to discover last week, is finally out on DVD, at least the first season. I was afraid that would never happen due to Disney monopolizing the home video rights for animated Tarzan stuff, but now it's here. Although I can't afford to buy it right now and the library doesn't have it yet.
 
Why would anyone want a more bleak version of the Flintstones? There is certainly room for "bleak" in comics, but I don't think they are it!
Because they wanted to try something different with the series. We had 50ish years of traditional Flintstones stories, so I don't think think there'should anything wrong with something different.
Edit: My only real experience with HB is Flintstones, Jetsons, Scooby-Doo and I think maybe some Yogi Bear. I'v also watched a few Harvey Birdmans, but those don't really count
 
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Got that. My biggest concerns were the Quest characters and Space Ghost, and they've nailed those.
Space Ghost and the Quest team fit very well - the Impossibles just don't - it's more than a matter of making them look more realistic - their story style is different and I really don't think that should change. I know this is a cross-over but they really would be better having minimal interaction with the other characters. Not because the others are not good enough, but because they are not similar enough. And I think I made it clear I don't like the idea of a new member - O.K. if she was just someone who was helping them out now and again.
 
Because they wanted to try something different with the series. We had 50ish years of traditional Flintstones stories, so I don't think think there'should anything wrong with something different.
Edit: My only real experience with HB is Flintstones, Jetsons, Scooby-Doo and I think maybe some Yogi Bear. I'v also watched a few Harvey Birdmans, but those don't really count
This seems to me like crossing the line between adding variety and fixing what wasn't broken!
 
This seems to me like crossing the line between adding variety and fixing what wasn't broken!

It's not about "fixing," because it doesn't replace the original. It's just exploring a new variation on the concept. If you listen to a movie soundtrack or a symphony, you'll often hear the composer reworking the same melody into many different forms -- one version of it may be solemn and sad and quiet, another intense and exciting, another light and humorous. The composer develops the possibilities inherent in the theme by transforming its presentation, but the core of the theme is still recognizable. This is how art works -- by exploring the ways an idea can be transformed and given new meaning.

Heck, it's hardly as if Hanna-Barbera's ideas were original to begin with. The Flintstones was a direct copy of The Honeymooners. Yogi Bear was an Art Carney impression. Huckleberry Hound was an Andy Griffith impression, Snagglepuss was a Bert Lahr impression, etc. Scooby-Doo was invented as a knockoff of Filmation's The Archies (they were originally going to be a music group, an idea H-B did use in later Scooby knockoffs like Jabberjaw) and its characters are pastiches of the cast of The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis -- Fred is Dobie (Dwayne Hickman), Shaggy is Maynard (Bob Denver), Daphne is Thalia (Tuesday Weld), and Velma is Zelda (Sheila James).

As for The Impossibles, I never saw it, but Wikipedia suggests it was a knockoff of The Monkees (and the Beatles) with superpowers added. Wikipedia also says that the concept was recycled in H-B's later Super Globetrotters cartoon, a reworking of their Harlem Globetrotters cartoon that gave the Globetrotters super powers. Apparently they copied the Impossibles' powers exactly and even retraced the same animation sequences for the new characters, Filmation-style.

So I'm sorry, but to defend Hanna-Barbera as some sort of pure bastion of originality that should never be tampered with is ludicrous. Most of what they did was the result of copying and transforming other people's ideas, or simply recycling their own used ideas in a slightly altered form.
 
It's not about "fixing," because it doesn't replace the original. It's just exploring a new variation on the concept. If you listen to a movie soundtrack or a symphony, you'll often hear the composer reworking the same melody into many different forms -- one version of it may be solemn and sad and quiet, another intense and exciting, another light and humorous. The composer develops the possibilities inherent in the theme by transforming its presentation, but the core of the theme is still recognizable. This is how art works -- by exploring the ways an idea can be transformed and given new meaning.

Heck, it's hardly as if Hanna-Barbera's ideas were original to begin with. The Flintstones was a direct copy of The Honeymooners. Yogi Bear was an Art Carney impression. Huckleberry Hound was an Andy Griffith impression, Snagglepuss was a Bert Lahr impression, etc. Scooby-Doo was invented as a knockoff of Filmation's The Archies (they were originally going to be a music group, an idea H-B did use in later Scooby knockoffs like Jabberjaw) and its characters are pastiches of the cast of The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis -- Fred is Dobie (Dwayne Hickman), Shaggy is Maynard (Bob Denver), Daphne is Thalia (Tuesday Weld), and Velma is Zelda (Sheila James).

As for The Impossibles, I never saw it, but Wikipedia suggests it was a knockoff of The Monkees (and the Beatles) with superpowers added. Wikipedia also says that the concept was recycled in H-B's later Super Globetrotters cartoon, a reworking of their Harlem Globetrotters cartoon that gave the Globetrotters super powers. Apparently they copied the Impossibles' powers exactly and even retraced the same animation sequences for the new characters, Filmation-style.

So I'm sorry, but to defend Hanna-Barbera as some sort of pure bastion of originality that should never be tampered with is ludicrous. Most of what they did was the result of copying and transforming other people's ideas, or simply recycling their own used ideas in a slightly altered form.
Taking music as an example - have you noticed how cover versions of songs only seem to work if they are not much different from the original? Changing the pace of a song is enough to ruin it. Yes, of course Hanna-Barbera cartoons were influenced by other stuff - but once youv'e got it right, why make drastic changes?
 
Taking music as an example - have you noticed how cover versions of songs only seem to work if they are not much different from the original? Changing the pace of a song is enough to ruin it.

I think that's a very narrow-minded and erroneous assumption, and a lot of people would disagree.


Yes, of course Hanna-Barbera cartoons were influenced by other stuff - but once youv'e got it right, why make drastic changes?

That's a contradictory statement. Hanna-Barbera copied those earlier things because they thought they had "got it right" and were therefore worth drawing from. If they'd thought the way you do, they never would've made 90% of their shows in the first place.

It's also pretty damn preposterous to claim that Hanna-Barbera's versions are somehow the ultimate "right" version of all creativity ever and that nobody else is worthy of tampering with their godly perfection. Are you serious? Hanna-Barbera's stuff was mostly dumb, carelessly made shlock that was blatantly and lazily ripped off of other, usually better things. There's enormous room for improvement there.
 
I think that's a very narrow-minded and erroneous assumption, and a lot of people would disagree.




That's a contradictory statement. Hanna-Barbera copied those earlier things because they thought they had "got it right" and were therefore worth drawing from. If they'd thought the way you do, they never would've made 90% of their shows in the first place.

It's also pretty damn preposterous to claim that Hanna-Barbera's versions are somehow the ultimate "right" version of all creativity ever and that nobody else is worthy of tampering with their godly perfection. Are you serious? Hanna-Barbera's stuff was mostly dumb, carelessly made shlock that was blatantly and lazily ripped off of other, usually better things. There's enormous room for improvement there.
Those are my opinions - we will have to agree to disagree.
 
I never really cared for Hanna-Barbera's stuff growing up. I was a Filmation kid. I watched the H-B shows, but I didn't think they were as well-written or as well-made as Filmation's work and I wasn't as attached to them. Sure, their animation wasn't quite as repetitive, but the trade-off was that it was sloppier.

Dude, the artwork and animation in the original season of Jonny Quest kills anything Filmation produced then or since. (Maybe Fantastic Voyage and Journey to the Center of The Earth were on par, but not better)

And later on they were responsible for so much schlock like The Smurfs and The Snorks and all those churned-out formulaic things. (And let's not forget the crazy Saturday-morning versions they did of prime-time shows like Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, The Dukes of Hazzard, ALF, etc.)

But you notice, only in that era of H-B's decline did Filmation manage to put out some awesome originals like Blackstarr and Bravestar. (Of course, that era also gave us Filmation's Ghostbusters cartoon...)

Although they did get better when they came under new management around the start of the '90s, with things like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures and The Pirates of Dark Water. And then later in the decade they had The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, which wasn't bad,

It wasn't great either...

and then teamed up with Cartoon Network Studios to do some of its seminal shows like Dexter's Laboratory and The Powerpuff Girls, before pretty much dissolving into CNS and Warner Bros.

Dexter's Lab and PPG are good. Seminal? Really?
 
Taking music as an example - have you noticed how cover versions of songs only seem to work if they are not much different from the original? Changing the pace of a song is enough to ruin it. Yes, of course Hanna-Barbera cartoons were influenced by other stuff - but once youv'e got it right, why make drastic changes?
There's more than one "right" way to tell these stories.
If someone is going to do these kinds of reboots l, I would rather see them take things in a different direction rather than just give us more of the same kinds of stories. If you just want to tell the same kinds of stories in a medium where you don't have to worry things like actors aging, or recasting, then you are better off just continuing the original version.
 
There's more than one "right" way to tell these stories.
If someone is going to do these kinds of reboots l, I would rather see them take things in a different direction rather than just give us more of the same kinds of stories. If you just want to tell the same kinds of stories in a medium where you don't have to worry things like actors aging, or recasting, then you are better off just continuing the original version.
Sometimes you just want more of the same - not a reboot at all!
 
Of course, there's nothing wrong with that, and at the same time there's nothing wrong with a reboot.
 
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