Brexit and Star Trek - What it means to me

[DimesDan]

The lack of unity within all the member countries

Which isn't a new thing.

and that they can't agree on anything together since Brexit.

Again, this isn't a new thing, very rarely does the entire block see eye to eye on one thing, but it seems pretty clear as we voted to Leave, the leaders within the other EU nations want us gone as dragging our feet is just adding to the instability of the situation which isn't good for anyone right now.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Which isn't a new thing.



Again, this isn't a new thing, very rarely does the entire block see eye to eye on one thing, but it seems pretty clear as we voted to Leave, the leaders within the other EU nations want us gone as dragging our feet is just adding to the instability of the situation which isn't good for anyone right now.

But when inside the EU didn't the UK get a lot of special treatment like being able to keep their currency and not change it? Now the EU are saying "ok bugger off" now that the UK want out and I kind of get that.

 

[suarezguy]

To me it seems like a bad idea to either leave out of resentment or stay out of fear of retaliation. It generally seems better to try to reform a group, or at least your role in it, rather than leave but it's a fair point that without the threat of leaving (or, analogously, a union going on strike) attempts to get reform will get no traction.
I find it ironic that the UK keeping its own currency was seen as backward, that a national currency will obviously be weaker and less stable and productive than a continent-wide currency, and then Italy and Greece not having their own currencies and the ability to control it was seen as catastrophic and the EU setting policy conditions for assistance as undemocratic.
Agreed that it's a particularly unfair development to the Scots who previously rejected independence in order to stay in the union but Cameron was against both separations, its certainly a big and surprising blow to him for the voters to reject his advice after previously giving him election wins. His vision of conservatism seemed a lot better than the American Republicans' so its especially disappointing for me to see him going to leave the leadership.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

But when inside the EU didn't the UK get a lot of special treatment like being able to keep their currency and not change it? Now the EU are saying "ok bugger off" now that the UK want out and I kind of get that.

The UK also negotiated a substantial rebate on its contributions, which made it an even more special snowflake. Once the UK has left, I expect the EU Commission to pressure Sweden and Denmark to adopt the Euro and for all members to give up more sovereignty and to progress toward further integration. The recent calls to pay heed to the dissenting voices in some member countries seem likely to be ignored.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Aside from the arguments for national sovereignty and all that, I suspect another reason for Brexit was because of the EU being so comically bureaucratic and inefficient (for example, they don't have a single leader - the EU government is littered with so many 'commissions' and 'councils' that it's hard to tell WHO is really in control. I mean, come on, they have both a 'European Council' and "Council of Europe'. ).

If the EU was a more streamlined, efficient, united government (like - dare I say it - the Federation), there would probably not have been quite as much of a push for Brexit. I find it hard to blame Britons for not wanting to be a part of an organization that inefficient.

 

[Kemaiku]

The Federation allows every planet to have it's own government, every nation to still exist, we've seen it bogged down by as much or more red tape and a great many asshole politicians and admirals. Really, the EU is far more preferable to that wasteland of sociopathic morons, good thing Starfleet is so separate and not really accountable to anyone.

 

[MacLeod]

Aside from the arguments for national sovereignty and all that, I suspect another reason for Brexit was because of the EU being so comically bureaucratic and inefficient (for example, they don't have a single leader - the EU government is littered with so many 'commissions' and 'councils' that it's hard to tell WHO is really in control. I mean, come on, they have both a 'European Council' and "Council of Europe'. ).

If the EU was a more streamlined, efficient, united government (like - dare I say it - the Federation), there would probably not have been quite as much of a push for Brexit. I find it hard to blame Britons for not wanting to be a part of an organization that inefficient.

The Council of Europe isn't part of the EU, I think you mean the European Council. And stricly speaking the EU has several Leaders, Donald Tusk the head of the European Council , Jean-Claude Junker President of the European Commission.

And I suspect those who voted to leave wouldn't want the EU to have a single leader. It comes back to my point earlier, what do the peoples of the EU want, a political Union or a Free-Trade Zone.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And I suspect those who voted to leave wouldn't want the EU to have a single leader.

What about those who are still in it? Is there any indication at all that the EU will one day have a true President or whatever they choose to call it? And a movement towards a more streamlined, efficient government, so there may one day be a 'United States of Europe' or something similar? (Note that I just said "united states" in a general sense, I certainly wouldn't expect the EU to copy America.)

 

[publiusr]

Some in Scotland wanted to leave the UK--but wanted the UK to stay in the EU...hmm.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What about those who are still in it? Is there any indication at all that the EU will one day have a true President or whatever they choose to call it? And a movement towards a more streamlined, efficient government, so there may one day be a 'United States of Europe' or something similar? (Note that I just said "united states" in a general sense, I certainly wouldn't expect the EU to copy America.)

That would require 27 countries admitting that they are not countries.

 

[MacLeod]

What about those who are still in it? Is there any indication at all that the EU will one day have a true President or whatever they choose to call it? And a movement towards a more streamlined, efficient government, so there may one day be a 'United States of Europe' or something similar? (Note that I just said "united states" in a general sense, I certainly wouldn't expect the EU to copy America.)

The rise of more eurosceptic parties at the last EU elections, could indicate that some don't won't a move towards that. But at the nexxt EU elections they could hold a referendum and ask the people what they want. A United States of Europe or a Free Trade Zone.

But each Nation within the EU acts in what it considers to be it's best interests. If you benefit from CAP you might be less willing to see any changes from it