It'll be funny when EU grants and funding dries up, I wonder how many Brexiters will start complaining.
Brexit and Star Trek - What it means to me
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Well legally speaking the referendum isn't binding, Parliament can decide to ignore it if it wishes (and suffer the consequences if any at a General Election likely to be within a year).
And at the end of the day Parliment should do what's in the best interest of the country as a whole.
But the UK electorate stands at 45.3m. In the EU referendum vote.
17.4m voted to leave
16.1m to Remain
So in terms of the electorate as a whole 38.5% to Leave 35.6% to Remain and the other 25.9% couldn't be bothered to vote (which is their right of course). So Parliment could try to argue that a majority of the electorate hadn't been achieved (yes a majority of those who voted has).
Not to mention the seemingly generally divide where anyone over 45 or so was more likely) to vote Leave with those under more likely to vote Remain. Oddly enough if you are 45+ you could remember a time before the EEC (as it was then)
And at the end of the day Parliment should do what's in the best interest of the country as a whole.
But the UK electorate stands at 45.3m. In the EU referendum vote.
17.4m voted to leave
16.1m to Remain
So in terms of the electorate as a whole 38.5% to Leave 35.6% to Remain and the other 25.9% couldn't be bothered to vote (which is their right of course). So Parliment could try to argue that a majority of the electorate hadn't been achieved (yes a majority of those who voted has).
Not to mention the seemingly generally divide where anyone over 45 or so was more likely) to vote Leave with those under more likely to vote Remain. Oddly enough if you are 45+ you could remember a time before the EEC (as it was then)
Except after the vote our economy suffered such a shock we've already been overtaken by France and this is only the beginning.
I think the EU bosses will try to make things as hard as possibly for the UK, as a warning and a threat to other EU member who might be considering a similar departure. But if it's obvious that this is what is being done, will that scare the other members, or give them just another reason to want out from under the EU bosses?
Actually it was the humans doing the holier-than-thou preaching.
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Totally the bastion of alien dominance that is.
Until the Romluans and Klingons come calling.
Except the British economy is pretty much reliant on being part of the EU. So they're probably screwed.
I can't say I'm a fan of President Obama and some of his foreign policies, but what?
Mostly small, snarky crap over the past seven years, but what came out of the White House and the President's own mouth a few days ago was just unbelievable. Because Britain left the EU (which hasn't really happened yet), all trade deals with the UK are off, and they have to put the UK at the bottom of the list when it comes to working new trade deals. They're "too busy" working deals with the EU to bother working with the UK.
Which makes absolute sense, TTIP is massive, The UK was going to be part of those negotiations if we were part of the EU and by removing ourselves from it, we're not anymore.
And what "snarky crap" do you mean?
What's to get back to? You're writing some pretty astonishing fiction yourself. Not good fiction, mind you, but fiction nonetheless.
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Obama reaffirms 'special relationship' with UK after Brexit
“The people of the United Kingdom have spoken, and we respect their decision,” Obama said in a statement.
“The special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom is enduring, and the United Kingdom’s membership in NATO remains a vital cornerstone of U.S. foreign, security, and economic policy.”
The president stressed that both the U.K. and the EU “will remain indispensable partners,” even as they begin to negotiate their formal separation in the coming months.
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rms-special-relationship-with-uk-after-brexit
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Yep, he clearly hates the UK. Or are you still going on about that Churchill bust being removed from the White House myth that Boris Johnson recently resurrected to score points with racists in retaliation for Obama coming out against the Brexit?
An as far as him allegedly "screwing up the country":
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Obama's Presidency: The Facts
Updated on March 5, 2016
Listed below are fourteen objective facts, without interjected opinion, about the state of America under the leadership of President Obama. Every statement is followed up with a link to a reputable source where you can verify the fact for yourself.
1. We've now had 71 straight months of economic expansion.
That’s right: For seventy-one consecutive months, the US economy has gotten progressively better. That includes a new record for consecutive months of private sector job growth. Forbes magazine (which is no fan of President Obama) crunched the numbers and demonstrated how the economic recovery under President Obama has been better in just about every measurable way than the recovery under President Reagan.
Source: Obama Out-Performs Reagan on Jobs, Growth, and Investing; Forbes magazine.
2. We are currently enjoying the longest period of private sector job creation in American history.
This statistic also comes from the Forbes magazine article listed above. In fact, we've enjoyed 68 straight months of private sector job creation. That is the longest period of job creation since the Department of Labor has been keeping statistics.
Source: Obama’s Claim That Businesses Are in the "Longest Uninterrupted Stretch of Job Creation": The Washington Post.
3. Unemployment has dropped from 10.1% in October of 2009 to 4.9% by early 2016.
Not only has the unemployment rate dropped significantly, but since the recession ended, the US economy has gained over twelve million new jobs. (You can refer to the Forbes article above or check the article below.)
Source: Democratic Presidents Bring It: Obama Shatters Clinton’s Record For Private Sector Job Growth: PoliticusUsa
It is also worth noting that during the 2012 presidential election, Obama's opponent, Mitt Romney, promised to lower the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of 2016. President Obama succeeded at lowering unemployment to under 6% two full years earlier than Romney had promised.
Source : Romney vows to lower unemployment to 6% by the end of 2016: The Hill
4. The stock market continues to set new record highs since President Obama took office.
Since early 2009, there has been a steady upward trend in stock market growth. The Dow Jones Industrial averages reached an all-time high of 18,292 in May, 2015. Since most Americans have 401K retirement investments in the stock market, this growth benefits millions of middle class Americans.
Source: Dow Jones Industrial Average Last 10 Years: Macrotrends.
5. The Federal budget deficit is shrinking. It’s been reduced by two-thirds since 2009.
The $1.4 trillion federal budget deficit that Obama inherited in 2009 was in a large part due to the high rate of unemployment. When millions of people were put out of work in 2008 and 2009, it resulted in far less income taxes and less economic activity to generate federal revenue. As eleven million people have regained employment, there have been billions more tax dollars generated. As a result, the deficit has been shrinking each year. The 2015 deficit was $439 billion, the smallest deficit since 2007, and roughly 70% lower than it was in 2009.
Source: What is the Deficit?: USGovernmentSpending.com.
6. Under President Obama, government spending has increased only 3.3% annually, the lowest rate since Eisenhower was president.
You may have heard critics say that President Obama is spending money wildly and running up our debt. According to this article from Forbes, Obama has increased spending by 1.4% annually, far less than President Reagan (8.7%) or George W. Bush (8.1%). According to a more recent article from the Washington Post, Obama has increased spending 3.3% annually. In either case, Obama has increased spending less than any president since Eisenhower.
Sources: Who Is the Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? Forbes magazine.
The Facts About the Growth of Spending Under Obama: Washington Post.
7. For 95% of American taxpayers, income taxes are as low or lower than they were at almost any point in the last 50 years.
After President Obama took office, thousands of Tea Party members all over the country held rallies protesting Obama’s tax increases. At that time, President Obama had actually passed several tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Most of the Tea Partiers who were protesting had only seen their taxes decrease under Obama, yet polls indicated that most Tea Party members wrongly believed their taxes had gone up.
In fact, the only people whose income taxes have gone up during Obama’s presidency are those making $400,000 per year or more. That's less than 2% of the population. Today, for the vast majority of people, tax rates are lower than or exactly where they were when Obama first took office. The article below from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities explains this in greater detail.
Source: Federal Income Taxes on Middle-Income Families Remain Near Historic Lows, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
8. Dependence on foreign oil has shrunk due to record domestic oil production and improved fuel efficiency standards.
While some claim that oil production has declined under President Obama, the truth is just the opposite. Oil production has reached record highs. The United States now produces so much oil that we export more oil and gasoline than we import.
Source: IndexMundi.
9. At least 18 million more Americans now have health insurance than before.
Depending on whose numbers you use, anywhere from 12 to 18 million Americans acquired health insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. Now that those millions of Americans have insurance, the rest of us are no longer on the hook to pay for their healthcare when they get sick. This saves the American people billions of dollars in the long run.
Source: Obamacare Helped Up to 10 Million Get Insurance, Gallup Finds: NBC News.
10. The Affordable Care Act has added years to the life of Medicare.
The Medicare trust fund had been on course to run out of money by the end of 2016. But due to cost savings from the Affordable Care Act and lower healthcare expenses, Medicare’s trust fund will now remain stable until the year 2030 without cutting benefits.
Source: Medicare, Social Security Disability Fund Headed in Different Directions; The Wall Street Journal.
11. Since passage of the Affordable Care Act, we are seeing the slowest rate of increase in healthcare costs since 1960.
Contrary to the Republican predictions, healthcare costs have increased at a much slower pace since the passage of the ACA.
Source: Trends in Health Care Cost Growth and the Role of the Affordable Care Act; White House Report.
12. We currently have fewer soldiers, sailors, and airmen in war zones than we did at any time in the last 12 years.
With the end of the Iraq war and the steady withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, we have fewer people in war zones now than we did at any time since 2002.
13. There have been zero successful attacks by al Qaeda on US soil since Obama became president.
Despite Dick Cheney’s warning that if voters elected a Democrat as president, we’d be “hit again and hit hard” by al Qaeda, we have actually been far safer from terrorist attacks on US soil in recent years than we were under the previous president. There have been several unsuccessful attacks against the US under both Bush and Obama, but under Obama, al Qaeda has been largely unsuccessful in striking the US on our home soil.
Source: Timeline of Al Qaeda Attacks
14. We now successfully catch and deport more illegal immigrants than ever before.
Despite the mythology being spread by President Obama's political opponents about our "open border" with Mexico, the numbers prove that President Obama has turned back and deported more illegal immigrants than any other president.
Politifact checked the claim that President Obama turned away more illegal immigrants than any other president, and they confirmed that under President Obama, the US has turned back or deported an average of 32,886 people per month. That's a far greater rate than any other president in history by far.
Source: Has Barack Obama deported more people than any other president in U.S. history? Tampa Bay Times.
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/14-Facts-About-The-Obama-Presidency-That-Most-People-Dont-Know
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The U.S. trade deficit has shrunk by 24 percent; exports have grown faster than imports.
The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.2 percent.
Corporate profits are running 144 percent higher and stock prices have soared.
As of March, total nonfarm employment stood 9,721,000 higher than when Obama first took office.
In July of last year, the number of job openings reached nearly 5.8 million — the highest level in the 15 years that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has been tracking it.
U.S. reliance on imported oil has been cut by more than half. Under Obama, as of the fourth quarter of 2015, net imports were down 61 percent. And in 2015, the U.S. imported only 24 percent of the petroleum and refined products that it consumed. That’s the lowest annual level of dependency on imports since 1970.
Wind and solar power has nearly quadrupled under Obama. Electricity generated by large-scale wind and solar power in the most recent 12 months on record (ending in January) was 293 percent higher than the total for 2008.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/obamas-numbers-april-2016-update/
I eagerly await your comprehensive, fact-based rebuttal.
Direct quote from President Obama:
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
“And on that matter, for example, I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done”. He added: “The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
So he "hates" the U.K. because he pointed out the obvious fact that negotiating through the E.U. would be faster? What is he supposed to do, put the E.U. bloc on the backburner to soothe the tender feelings of the Brexiters? Obviously that's not practical, and they should have thought of that (and many other things besides) before they voted. They made their own bed on that one, don't go trying to put it on Obama.
Yeah, what about it? That was his argument to try and convince UK voters not to leave the EU, because doing so would be detrimental to their own interests. Which is just a fact, as even many of the low-information Brexit voters are finally realizing now that it's too late. Contrary to being an anti-UK sentiment, he was trying to be helpful to the UK because they're a close friend and trading partner, and he didn't want to see them make a mistake that could damage their international bargaining power.
Also, contrary to claims that he made that statement out of the blue, it was in direct response to Brexit campaigners claiming that Britain would easily be able to negotiate a new trade deal with the US. They were making claims about how the US would respond, so he had a responsibility to set the record straight. What about his comment is wrong? Of course you'd negotiate with the stronger trading bloc first. To do anything less would be detrimental to American interests and would contribute to the fake ruining of the country you were complaining about five minutes ago.
Thanks for addressing what I asked, anyway, as a British Citizen and an individual who voted to Remain last Thursday, I see no problem with this, the Remain campaign warned that trade would be more difficult if not non-existent with certain territories and President Obama was stating that fact.
I'm not sure how much interest you take in International Relations, but as I stated earlier and will quote now:
As for those "snarky comments," I'd be interested to hear them as other than removing Churchills bust from the desk in the Oval office (which I believe was all a fuss over nothing) he hasn#t made any comments remotely snarky.
Why should the UK get preferential treatment?
Because we our now a very special kind of special that shot itself in the head!
I tend to think it would be all kinds of disrespectful to start negotiating trade agreements with the UK while it is still part of the EU.
Potentially. Given until Article 50 is or isn't invoked, we're in limbo concerning our relationship with the EU and hell, they're not negotiating (why they should is anyones guess) until that happens.
