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HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

As brought out in the franchise earlier, Sulu was heterosexual in the 'other' universe. He had his daughter, Demora, and he also (or rather his mirror double) hit on Uhura hard.

I believe that has been thoroughly debunked in this thread.

For what it's worth, I'm disabled and use a wheelchair. But that doesn't mean I think their should be handicapped people shown working at Starfleet Headquarters just because the 23rd century is a brave, new, inclusive world. When filmmakers do this stuff, it's a stunt. It doesn't feel organic at all.

They aren't compelled to work at Starfleet HQ, because technology makes it possible for them to be out in the field chasing their dreams. See: LaForge, Geordi- blind starship pilot and engineer.
 
I believe that has been thoroughly debunked in this thread.

Well, for me, he was hetero. If others want to believe he was gay, bi, transgender..or half-alien like Spock....they're free to do so. (I didn't read the thread, which is currently at 15 pages).

There are going to be many, many different ideas and opinions going on..as it is has always been with fandom, particularly Trek fandom. And not all of those opinions and ideas are going to be agreed upon.
 
Well, for me, he was hetero. If others want to believe he was gay, bi, transgender..or half-alien like Spock....they're free to do so. (I didn't read the thread, which is currently at 15 pages).

There are going to be many, many different ideas and opinions going on..as it is has always been with fandom, particularly Trek fandom. And not all of those opinions and ideas are going to be agreed upon.
Yes they are.
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My question is... Why Sulu?

Honestly, the LGBT community deserves their own unique, fully fleshed out, compelling characters...

I love the unintentional implication that Sulu (either Sulu) is none of those things

We (that's 'non-heterosexual' people) "deserve" the exact same things as everyone else. Hence, 'equality.' And I don't recall anyone screeching about "creating unique etc etc'" characters whenever a straight Trek character got their first on-screen love interest.

'Picard didn't have a love interest in the first season of the show. Why should they change him to having an interest in women now. They should have just created a brand new blah blah blah...'

This whole "don't change an old character, just introduce a new one" (not to mention "LGBT people 'getting' Sulu") reeks of the old fan chestnut "I don't want other people playing with my toys!!!'" The writers control what/who the characters are, and they can do so via retcons. That's all there is to it. If you want that power, best start praying that a job at Paramount falls in your lap.
 
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Picard had someone very interested in him romantically season 1 TNG.

But he ran hard, so hard, when Jean-Luc should have given Dee a sister. :(
 
I thought Trek/SciFi fans where supposed to be open-minded about stuff like this?
Guess there is a very conservative part of the community who really doesn't like change or is open to people with a different sexual preference...
 
Nope, scifi fans and Trekkies in particular tend to like things safe and comfortable. It's a surprisingly conservative group. I've also noticed on Facebook that they're some of the worst at spelling on social media.

RAMA


I thought Trek/SciFi fans where supposed to be open-minded about stuff like this?
Guess there is a very conservative part of the community who really doesn't like change or is open to people with a different sexual preference...
 
Simon Pegg responds to George Takei

In a statement released to the Guardian on Friday, Pegg reiterated his respect for Takei, while taking issue with his thinking.
“I have huge love and respect for George Takei, his heart, courage and humour are an inspiration,” he wrote. “However, with regards to his thoughts on our Sulu, I must respectfully disagree with him.”
Pegg expressed sympathy with Takei’s sentiment that mainstream gay heroes were belatedly coming to the big screen, but rejected the idea that this meant a new character needed creating.
“He’s right, it is unfortunate, it’s unfortunate that the screen version of the most inclusive, tolerant universe in science fiction hasn’t featured an LGBT character until now. We could have introduced a new gay character, but he or she would have been primarily defined by their sexuality, seen as the ‘gay character’, rather than simply for who they are, and isn’t that tokenism?”

Pegg continued: “Justin Lin, Doug Jung and I loved the idea of it being someone we already knew because the audience have a pre-existing opinion of that character as a human being, unaffected by any prejudice. Their sexual orientation is just one of many personal aspects, not the defining characteristic. Also, the audience would infer that there has been an LGBT presence in the Trek Universe from the beginning (at least in the Kelvin timeline), that a gay hero isn’t something new or strange. It’s also important to note that at no point do we suggest that our Sulu was ever closeted, why would he need to be? It’s just hasn’t come up before.”
In his attack, Takei said he felt Pegg and the team had failed to pay due deference to creator Gene Roddenberry’s vision – especially galling given the film is released in Star Trek’s 50th anniversary year.
But Pegg said that Roddenberry’s pioneering work exploring diversity in the series indicated he would have welcomed such a move.
“I don’t believe Gene Roddenberry’s decision to make the prime timeline’s Enterprise crew straight was an artistic one, more a necessity of the time. Trek rightly gets a lot of love for featuring the first interracial kiss on US television, but Plato’s Stepchildren was the lowest rated episode ever.

“The viewing audience weren’t open minded enough at the time and it must have forced Roddenberry to modulate his innovation. His mantra was always ‘infinite diversity in infinite combinations’. If he could have explored Sulu’s sexuality with George, he no doubt would have. Roddenberry was a visionary and a pioneer but we choose our battles carefully.”

Pegg concluded by urging that Sulu’s sexuality shows the multiplicity of human experience across the space-time continuum, showing that “we are all LGBT somewhere”.
“Our Trek is an alternate timeline with alternate details,” he wrote. “Whatever magic ingredient determines our sexuality was different for Sulu in our timeline. I like this idea because it suggests that in a hypothetical multiverse, across an infinite matrix of alternate realities, we are all LGBT somewhere.
“Whatever dimension we inhabit, we all just want to be loved by those we love (and I love George Takei). I can’t speak for every reality but that must surely true of this one. Live long and prosper.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...orge-takei-criticism?CMP=twt_a-film_b-gdnfilm
 
If you can be genetically altered by an alien virus, and have your genome repaired in a matter of seconds, would it be an ethical violation for parents to opt for heterosexual children when it's only a matter of altering the genome?
 
Gates was definitely wearing a wig, so Bev was maybe wearing a wig.

Who's the other ginger?

Janeway?

That's auburn mostly, and from a bottle.

Why do i think that women in the 24th century should have evolved past vanity?

Although the female mating dance seemed very familiar as described by Dee in The Outcast.
 
If you can be genetically altered by an alien virus, and have your genome repaired in a matter of seconds, would it be an ethical violation for parents to opt for heterosexual children when it's only a matter of altering the genome?

They're godless assholes.

But what if it's the government, making sure that the sexes are properly balanced to control the birth rate so that the state doesn't run out of factory workers and soldiers?
 
If you can be genetically altered by an alien virus, and have your genome repaired in a matter of seconds, would it be an ethical violation for parents to opt for heterosexual children when it's only a matter of altering the genome?

And why would caring parents choose to do that?

Would it be an "ethical violation" for parents to opt to give their children donkey ears and tails?
 
Gates was definitely wearing a wig, so Bev was maybe wearing a wig.

Who's the other ginger?

Janeway?

That's auburn mostly, and from a bottle.

Why do i think that women in the 24th century should have evolved past vanity?

I'd like to think Dr Bev was a strawberry blonde all along, but was just in denial until "First Contact". ;)
 
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