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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

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Yeah, Luke and Leia were both 23 at the time of ROTJ and Vader/Anakin was 46 years old at the time of his physical death and becoming one with the Force. The Skywalker Twins were the same age at the time of the Battle of Endor that their father was when he fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Vader.
 
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Yeah, Luke and Leia were both 23 at the time of ROTJ and Vader/Anakin was 46 years old at the time of his physical death and becoming one with the Force. The Skywalker Twins were the same age at the time of the Battle of Endor that their father was when he fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Vader.

We're all so concerned with canon these days... I know for a fact that my Darth Vader Star Wars trading card (all of which I still have, btw!) have him listed as 58 years old.
Maybe that was the actor's age at the time (I think it was an ESB era card) so they figured that was good enough. LOL.
Just funny how things change little by little over time.
 
The LEGO TFA game came out yesterday. I'm working on a couple of other games right now, one of which is the last LEGO game, Marvel's Avengers, but it will be the next game I get.
 
I've been replaying "Lego Star Wars II The Original Trilogy" again and it's fun...... I was surprised they packed so much content into a 2 gig disk space. I haven't played this one in ages but I did have to hack it a bit. Needs the game disk to be in the PC to play so had to nocd it.
 
Just watched the movie for the second time on Blu-Ray and it holds just as well on the second viewing at home as it did at the theater.
I did notice one thing that could be seen as evidence that Han knows who Rey is. When they are visiting Maz, she asks who that girl (Rey) is, and they cut away just as Han is about to answer.
I also noticed that all of the other parts of the Skywalker Lightsaber vision are tied to Luke, so it would be kind of odd if Rey being left behind didn't somehow connect to him. I guess it doesn't have to, but it would make a lot of sense if they were all connected like that.
 
^The simplest explanation to those are 1) we don't hear what Han says because it's information (we the audience) already has. She's a stray from Jakku with a thing for technology, can fly the Falcon as well as he can and a lot of heart. And 2) the visions are a mix of Rey and Luke because the sabre is tied to Luke and Rey's destiny (future, not past) is tied to Luke. If that wasn't already clear, Maz outright says so in the next scene.
Force visions are typically as much about reflecting as revelation: "What's in there?" "Only what you take with you."
 
Just watched the movie for the second time on Blu-Ray and it holds just as well on the second viewing at home as it did at the theater.
I did notice one thing that could be seen as evidence that Han knows who Rey is. When they are visiting Maz, she asks who that girl (Rey) is, and they cut away just as Han is about to answer.
I also noticed that all of the other parts of the Skywalker Lightsaber vision are tied to Luke, so it would be kind of odd if Rey being left behind didn't somehow connect to him. I guess it doesn't have to, but it would make a lot of sense if they were all connected like that.

^The simplest explanation to those are 1) we don't hear what Han says because it's information (we the audience) already has. She's a stray from Jakku with a thing for technology, can fly the Falcon as well as he can and a lot of heart. And 2) the visions are a mix of Rey and Luke because the sabre is tied to Luke and Rey's destiny (future, not past) is tied to Luke. If that wasn't already clear, Maz outright says so in the next scene.
Force visions are typically as much about reflecting as revelation: "What's in there?" "Only what you take with you."

Yeah, I don't really get why people are taking that scene as evidence that Han knows who Rey is, esp. when there's more evidence that he doesn't know. He doesn't seem to recognize her when they first meet (he just wants to send her on her way until it becomes clear that she's involving herself with the Luke Skywalker mystery -- and even then he just wants to take them as far as Anchorhead, so to speak).

On Takodana, he has to ask her her name. Although some of the tie-ins strongly suggest that "Rey" may not be the character's birth name, it still means that Han didn't bother to find out at any point in the journey from the old freighter to Takodana. He also seems relatively calm about her turning down the job offer, as if he didn't have that much riding on it, which would be consistent with a model where he'd never met her before.

After Rey gets captured, Han, while bothered by it, shows a level of worry for a brief acquaintance, not someone he's met before or knows to be important in the grand scheme of things. Also, according to Maz, what Han told her was about Rey's wanting to go back home, in regards to her family, and on top of that, Maz doesn't seem to figure out that Rey is Force-sensitive until the saber calls for her.

So, in my opinion, the movie pretty clearly communicated that Han and Rey had never met. (On top of that, the fact that the Bloodlines novel establishes that Rey had been left on Jakku years before Kylo Ren's fall makes it more likely that she has no prior connection to the Skywalkers/Solos, IMHO).
 
I'm still sort of holding out hope that she's a decedent of Kenobi & Kryze, but I honestly doubt it. That's mostly because I personally would kind of like to see that plot thread continued and really has nothing to do with Rey in and of herself.
Mythologically speaking it would make more sense if she really is a nobody and her parents are just deadbeats who abandoned a child to settle a debt.
Not every "hero of a thousand faces" is secretly royalty of one kind or another and since they already played that card with Kylo, it would be a little redundant.
 
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I just wondered if there was a reason we didn't hear Han's answers, but I guess it would make sense if it was just because he was repeating information we already know.
I realized at work that the age difference between Rey and Ben makes her having been left behind after the Jedi were killed a little unlikely. Her and Ben seem to be about the same age, but Ben was an adult in the vision where he and the other Knights of Ren killed the Jedi, but she looked like she was about 6 or 7ish when she was left behind on Jakku. Even if the vision wasn't totally literal, it seems unlikely that Ben would've been able to help kill the Jedi if he was a little kid.
I still think there's a chance her family is significant, but she at least wasn't left behind after the Jedi all died.
 
She certainly appears to be a Force prodigy of sorts, possibly tantamount to Skywalker family level, if her somewhat rapid progress is any indication.

Unless this was merely to serve the purposes of the story at hand, without giving a thought to its implications. Or perhaps the whole idea of differential innate Force sensitivity is being undermined to some degree ( though it could be argued that TFA, in certain ways, actually leans in the other direction ).

She could possibly be a descendant of another of Darth Plagueis' little... experiments.

Or it could just be that the Force creates heroes whenever Darth Mickey says jump.
 
Oh, I didn't realize he was that much older than her. I was just going by looks, and I didn't think he looked that much older than her.
 
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