So...I take it you voted remain.
Better luck next time.
Brexit and Star Trek - What it means to me
- Thread starter FederationCitizen
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Better luck next time.
Is Brexit actually binding?
Couldn't the new prime Minister say "We have constructed a clear 30 year plan to leave the EU, where upon we will present the EU with Article 50 and begin our final uncoupling."
And then in 29 and a half years, 6 governments later, claim to have forgotten that they said anything.
Merely the act of the Prime Minister resigning surely means that the next person, has no obligations to follow through with any of Cameron's plans or promises without being called a liar and a hypocrite.
Couldn't the new prime Minister say "We have constructed a clear 30 year plan to leave the EU, where upon we will present the EU with Article 50 and begin our final uncoupling."
And then in 29 and a half years, 6 governments later, claim to have forgotten that they said anything.
Merely the act of the Prime Minister resigning surely means that the next person, has no obligations to follow through with any of Cameron's plans or promises without being called a liar and a hypocrite.
I really have to ask this.
Most of these things don't start down in the street but in the top end of town by political leaders so who started this whole thing off?
I can't say I see the value of doing what they are doing, and the referendum is non binding so are the pollies now trying to weasel out of this? I think the UK is in for a bumpy ride.
Most of these things don't start down in the street but in the top end of town by political leaders so who started this whole thing off?
I can't say I see the value of doing what they are doing, and the referendum is non binding so are the pollies now trying to weasel out of this? I think the UK is in for a bumpy ride.
A rather repugnant man by the name of Nigel Farage and his hate filled UKIP party started the ball rolling on it.
It was a power grab.
The people at the top didn't think the monkeys at the bottom would actually exit. Positioning and Jockeying for power. We gotta think that they assumed that they would gain political capital in losing the vote. Standing up for the racist crazies without actually letting the racist crazies get their racist crazy way.
UKIP miscounted how many racist crazies there were.
Their taxes need to be tripled until that 2 trillion is paid back.
The people at the top didn't think the monkeys at the bottom would actually exit. Positioning and Jockeying for power. We gotta think that they assumed that they would gain political capital in losing the vote. Standing up for the racist crazies without actually letting the racist crazies get their racist crazy way.
UKIP miscounted how many racist crazies there were.
Their taxes need to be tripled until that 2 trillion is paid back.
No it's not legally binding. Parliment can choose to disregard result of referendum.
But what about the huge civil unrest if they do that?
Jimmy Stewart:
"... Mr Speaker, what about the will of the people?"
"... Mr Speaker, what about the will of the people?"
Why wait? Trade agreement often take protracted periods of time to write, so have one in place, ready to go the day after Britain final exits the EU.
I just stumbled across a clip from "The High Ground". It has a throwaway line that was apparently cut from the British broadcast. When I heard it, I thought about how TNG pretty much predicted the demise of television around 2040 which seems more plausible now, and with this clip, it deals with another sensitive subject... the possible effects of the Brexit.
I can get why it was banned in the UK, for that one line..... It was during the IRA bombings that this episode was made.
I just want to see some real world riots because Star Trek says United Indiastan.
Not to mention Data's argument of terrorism being a valid avenue when everything else has failed. That would not sit well with people today.
First of all: Welcome to the board, FederationCitizen
And congrats on your thread starter. A very interesting analogy, indeed.
Legally, the vote is not binding. Theoretically, the British government can ignore it. On the other hand it'd be a sort of own-goal to first ask the people and then ignore their vote. Either way the current government is not likely to get re-elected.
I was a little surprised by the swift reaction of the other European states. It's kinda "you want out? ok, get out right now". Usually, decisions take a far longer time to be taken.
However it gets understandable if you look at the prob from the European point of view: ever since they joined, the British demanded - and got - special rights. Same currency? No thanks! Trade restrictions and taxes? Surely not for us!
For years it's been chafing the other countries in the community that Britain got all the advantages without having to endure any of the drawbacks the others had. Even if the British government chose to ignore or to repeat the vote - if they want to stay in, they'll inevitably have to make sacrifices where these special conditions and privileges are concerned.
And that, I think, is what's behind the suspiciousely swift "ok, get out" of the other countries. GB is in check and has to sacrifice not only a few pawns but a bishop or two to get back into a safe position.
And congrats on your thread starter. A very interesting analogy, indeed.
Legally, the vote is not binding. Theoretically, the British government can ignore it. On the other hand it'd be a sort of own-goal to first ask the people and then ignore their vote. Either way the current government is not likely to get re-elected.
I was a little surprised by the swift reaction of the other European states. It's kinda "you want out? ok, get out right now". Usually, decisions take a far longer time to be taken.
However it gets understandable if you look at the prob from the European point of view: ever since they joined, the British demanded - and got - special rights. Same currency? No thanks! Trade restrictions and taxes? Surely not for us!
For years it's been chafing the other countries in the community that Britain got all the advantages without having to endure any of the drawbacks the others had. Even if the British government chose to ignore or to repeat the vote - if they want to stay in, they'll inevitably have to make sacrifices where these special conditions and privileges are concerned.
And that, I think, is what's behind the suspiciousely swift "ok, get out" of the other countries. GB is in check and has to sacrifice not only a few pawns but a bishop or two to get back into a safe position.
I don't think that argument has ever sat well with people.
I disagree, I think if there was a snap election, the Conservatives would get re-elected with possible an increased majority. Whilst Corbyn the leader of the opposition might have support amongest Labour party members, he doesn't have the confidence of a large part of his parlimentary party if he can't command the respect of a large part of his MP's why should the electorate as a whole have confidence in him. Secondly Labour really needs Scottish MP's to have a decent chance of forming a Government.
Not joining the Euro was one of Labour's better ideas, for monetary union to work well you need full political union as well, the Southern European countries haven't fared as well since the Euro was adopted.
And as much as the EU might dislike it, until Article 50 is invoked the UK is still a full member, hypothetically if Parliment decides not to invoke Article 50 then nothing changes.
The EU is in urgent need of unifrom the EU elections a few years ago should have served as a wake up call with Eurosceptic parties marking gains. Perhaps the EU should have held it's own referendum and asked a question about the direction the EU should take. i.e
Should the EU be a free-trade zone or Should the EU be a political union. Ask the people what they want.
The EU is looking like a bit of a basket case.
How so?
The lack of unity within all the member countries and that they can't agree on anything together since Brexit.
