BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued

[Phoenix219]

I honestly think that Into Darkness would have been a better movie (and certainly better received) if John Harrison had just been John Harrison....and Khan had still been a Popsicle.

Personally, I liked the idea that Harrison was just another one of Khan's people in cryofreeze, and the real Khan is still there sleeping.... they were all super intelligent ruling elite supermen... not just Khan! Although I definitely like the idea that Khan/Harrison could have been redeemed or helpful, considering his descent into totally villiany happened after being stranded on a dead planet for so long.

 

[Fenrir767]

Loved ST:ID and thought then use of Khan was fine. As for having to go the 'surgically altered' to explain why he doesn't look like Ricardo Montalban, please - if you are going along with it's the exact same timeline up until the Kelven Incident, all the priciples (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura) should also look EXACTLY like a young Willian Shatner, DeForest Kelly, Leonard Nimoy et. al - and with the exception of maybe Zachary Quinto - none of them really do either. The audience all knows these are different actors - so no big deal.

I also find that attitude (that they have to slavishly try to exactly match a previous actor's look) interesting here - in a thread about fan films; and where two of the most popular fan film groups use actors who honestly look nothing like their original counterparts who had the roles (maybe with the exception of Chris Doohan .)

Don't know if you ever read it by IDW published a Kelvin Timeline Cannon comic book about Khan being surgically altered. I think it just bothered people because it was so different. It was not a bad movie just one that I didn't particularly enjoy.

 

[Fenrir767]

Personally, I liked the idea that Harrison was just another one of Khan's people in cryofreeze, and the real Khan is still there sleeping.... they were all super intelligent ruling elite supermen... not just Khan! Although I definitely like the idea that Khan/Harrison could have been redeemed or helpful, considering his descent into totally villiany happened after being stranded on a dead planet for so long.

For me that would have been the twist the way to do something different with the Character I would have loved to see Khan and Kirk as friends both not quite fitting in to the world for their own reasons and then when Khan decides that he is superior watching a friendship like that breakdown and be destroyed would have been great it could have been something similar to Xavier and Magneto in X-men which would have been amazing. Ah well that ship has sailed.

 

[Phoenix219]

Well the storyline you described is pretty much the Gary Mitchell story, and maybe its just the part of me that originally saw Quinto as a telekinetic serial killer, but I totally wish he had been playing Mitchell, not Spock. I could never get over the casting, and can never see him as Spock; He might have the look, to an extent, but not the mannerisms at all.

 

[JD]

A fan film with a notable character or personality involved can fundraise into the millions, which has been demonstrated to be true. CBS/P has every right to push back against that.

Sorry to respond to such an old post, but this thread just moves to fast. I think it might also be because CBS is afraid that people might think that productions with Trek veterans working on them are actually made by them.

Loved ST:ID and thought then use of Khan was fine. As for having to go the 'surgically altered' to explain why he doesn't look like Ricardo Montalban, please - if you are going along with it's the exact same timeline up until the Kelven Incident, all the priciples (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura) should also look EXACTLY like a young Willian Shatner, DeForest Kelly, Leonard Nimoy et. al - and with the exception of maybe Zachary Quinto - none of them really do either. The audience all knows these are different actors - so no big deal.

I also find that attitude (that they have to slavishly try to exactly match a previous actor's look) interesting here - in a thread about fan films; and where two of the most popular fan film groups use actors who honestly look nothing like their original counterparts who had the roles (maybe with the exception of Chris Doohan .)

My main problem with Cumberbatch as Khan was the fact that they cast a white British guy as an Indian Sikh. Going with the comics' reveal that he was surgically altered does help that.

Personally, I liked the idea that Harrison was just another one of Khan's people in cryofreeze, and the real Khan is still there sleeping.... they were all super intelligent ruling elite supermen... not just Khan! Although I definitely like the idea that Khan/Harrison could have been redeemed or helpful, considering his descent into totally villiany happened after being stranded on a dead planet for so long.

I really think this would have been a better way for them to go than making him Khan.

 

[Danlav05]

So tomorrow is the day of the ENGAGE podcast, with answers to questions regarding the guidelines do we have an estimate of what time it will come out (in your timezone please so I can work it out lol)

 

[Professor Zoom]

My biggest issue with Khan in the 2nd movie was... You just created a brand new timeline, you can do anything and go anywhere... and you just go back and use an old character.

 

[Kor]

Meh. When he says "John Harrison was a fiction created by Marcus", just presume the "fiction created" included surgical alterations to Khan. Someone suggested that notion recently and with it in mind, I rewatched STiD--works fine. YMMV.

This concept was explored in one of the IDW comics.

Kor

 

[Maurice]

AHEM. Can this NOT become another effing STID discussion?

 

[Warped9]

So tomorrow is the day of the ENGAGE podcast, with answers to questions regarding the guidelines do we have an estimate of what time it will come out (in your timezone please so I can work it out lol)

I'm really interested in what we might learn.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

LOL as I told Michael Day last night, it's quite possibly "We think the guidelines speak for themselves. Next?"

 

[dmac]

LOL as I told Michael Day last night, it's quite possibly "We think the guidelines speak for themselves. Next?"

Possibly now that they are there, the only time they become invoked could be in extreme cases.

 

[Phoenix219]

Possibly now that they are there, the only time they become invoked could be in extreme cases.

Exactly what I am thinking / hoping, honestly.

A ban-hammer they can bring down any time at their own discretion.

 

[dmac]

Like what if an episode ran 15mins:20 seconds and you didn't bother to split it into 2 parts, yet everything else was well above board. Understandably now wouldn't be a good time to try exceeding any limits.

 

[BillJ]

My biggest issue with Khan in the 2nd movie was... You just created a brand new timeline, you can do anything and go anywhere... and you just go back and use an old character.

My biggest issue was that the way the movie was structured, they didn't really have time to flesh out Khan. It was all very rushed. We needed to know he was Khan earlier in the film. Though I believe Cumberbatch nailed the character. Especially, the "you should've let me sleep" bit.

 

[Mark 2000]

You're totally misunderstanding what I was saying. Those are all still periodic parodies. MAD doesn't and couldn't feature a series parodying Star Trek every single issue.

And you ignored my link to the Star Wreck series of books that was commercially sold in major book stores. Come on, buddy. You have no basis for what you're saying.

 

[Amaris]

And you ignored my link to the Star Wreck series of books that was commercially sold in major book stores. Come on, buddy. You have no basis for what you're saying.

I remember those! I actually own them, too, somewhere. Those were finally stopped after 7, I think, when Paramount came down hard on everyone. That was around the same time when Phil Farrand's Nitpickers Guides were also shut down.

 

[T'Arwen]

My point is that fan films probably wouldn't get nearly the attention they have been since 2009, if not for the fact certain segments of Trek fandom feel alienated by the JJverse, and have turned to the fan films as an alternative outlet. Also, by cutting a lot of ties to previous actors, producers, and set/ship designers, at least the first two movies have alienated former Star Trek employees. That created a perfect storm, and it was probably inevitable something like Axanar was going to happen. IF it wasn't Alec Peters, it would have been someone else doing the same thing.

Are you sure it was just JJTrek? Even though a lot crazy Axanar fans equate criticizing Alec Peters with being pro-JJ, I don't think it's the only factor. It simply gets attention because it's the most recent. People were also alienated by ENT and Nemesis (although Berman and Braga took most of the blame back then). Yes, there were whiners when TNG came out. But I doubt people were as quick to pull the real Trek/fan card without the Internet (correct me if I'm wrong since I'm slightly older than TNG).

Now if you want to give Paramount haters ammo, the ENT Blu-ray docs are perfect for that. Bermaga talk about UPN wanted to have a boy band of the week (how the hell would that work?) and downplay the prequel aspect. They didn't even know what a hull was. Yes, it's one-sided but judging from their inept marketing of ENT, I can believe that Paramount really didn't know what they were doing. Of course there was going to be fans who thought they could do better. That's not even taking the much-maligned TATV into account, where many devoted fans felt personally betrayed. I'm NOT suggesting this makes Alec Peters right but I can see why the Fort Collins author thinks some of the fan film guidelines are a public relations disaster. The perception that the powers-that-be are tone-deaf to fans has been around for years, but especially after TATV.

 

[BillJ]

I'm NOT suggesting this makes Alec Peters right but I can see why the Fort Collins author thinks some of the fan film guidelines are a public relations disaster.

No matter what a company like CBS or Paramount does, some people are going to feel alienated. This goes all the way back to The Motion Picture.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

No matter what a company like CBS or Paramount does, some people are going to feel alienated. This goes all the way back to The Motion Picture.

This is fandom. It goes all the way back to the moment the 2nd episode of TOS started airing!