Amended to: "even though the cops are shooting people for robbing banks now." AP is NOT any of the rest of the productions' "partner".
Other than that - yeah.
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Other than that - yeah.
Amended to: "even though the cops are shooting people for robbing banks now." AP is NOT any of the rest of the productions' "partner".
Fine. I shall expand on the scenario for the pedantic among us.Let's say by some miraculous coincidence you and several total strangers decide to rob the same bank on the same night, and through camaraderie and a shared love of stolen loot you agree to find your own paths to the vault. Then the guy closest to you reaches the vault first and starts to carry out loot, but on his way to his getaway car two patrol cops spot him, draw their weapons and yell "Stop! Put your hands on your head and get on the ground!" Now this particular robber, after screaming about his mother waking him up to rob banks when he was a kid, proclaims the bank wasn't using the money, hollers "I am LOOORD Robber!" and draws his own weapon - at which point each cop unloads two in his chest. So yes, Triumphant, he essentially got himself shot for robbing a bank.
And now, while you're robbing that same bank, and while they're waiting for back up and investigating LOORD Bank Robber's crime, they catch you, and say "Stop! Put your hands on your head and get on the ground!" Do you merely point to LOOORD Bank Robber, declare "I'm not as bad as him" and carry on, or do you comply with the police so you don't get shot?
It doesn't matter if other productions are not as criminal as Axanar. CBS and Paramount have been put in a position where they can't afford to take the time to differentiate. They have to protect their property, the guidelines are their way of compromising so that fan work is not completely shut out, and the suggestion that the other series should just resume because CBS/P "never said they would sue" is asinine.
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I was ONLY commenting in mild jest on none of us feeling affectionate enough toward AP to refer to him as "partner". I even said, "Other than that - yeah."
I was ONLY commenting in mild jest on none of us feeling affectionate enough toward AP to refer to him as "partner". I even said, "Other than that - yeah."
Why is it asinine? Worst case, they issue a cease and desist, and the outfit who is finding the new boundaries says OK, no problem, and it goes away. There is no problem in hoping for the best, or looking for legal loopholes.
The more you look for loopholes to more likely it is that the guidelines get changed or withdrawn and it becomes no more fanfilms. Disney/Marvel is notorious for shutting down fan productions here are a few examples. Compared to what Marvel fans have to deal with Star Trek fans have it good
http://www.mtv.com/.../punisher-fan-film-shut-down-by.../
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3755142
https://www.ap2hyc.com/.../marvel-shuts-down-deadpool.../
http://www.mtv.com/.../punisher-fan-film-shut-down-by.../
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3755142
https://www.ap2hyc.com/.../marvel-shuts-down-deadpool.../
No, the worst case is they skip C&D and go directly to lawsuit because they already stated in plain english what not to do, and while they never said they would sue if you didn't comply, they only said they wouldn't sue if you did comply, leaving them both options if you don't. There is no guarantee you won't get sued. There is no guarantee you'll get a warning first, and you won't know what will happen before you do something you shouldn't do. Why should anybody with sense take that kind of risk, especially after the last guy stupid enough to do it just got made an example?
Nope. The worst case is, they sue you and then revise the guidelines to "No fanfilm allowed!" and tell everybody it is your fault.
If the rules aren't retroactive, that means we can have one last 15 (or 2-part 30 minute) farewell episode of Star Trek New Voyages and/or Star Trek Continues. I remember James Cawley once saying he wanted to end his series one day with the Enterprise coming back from her 5-year mission, into dock for her TMP refit. Now's the time, @jamesmc.
Unfortunately, some of the key players on both shows are blocked by the "no professionals" rule. For example, Tobias Richter has done some images that were used in ads for Star Trek videos, therefore his work can't be used any more and NV-ASTFF needs to find a new artist for their space shots.
Of course, I forgot about that. James himself had a cameo in ST'09, Vic did voice work for Star Trek Online. They can't even say goodbye, which sucks.
or someone could do a motion comic presentation of this: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-trek-annual-2-the-final-voyage/4000-26270/
FWIW the 'no professionals' is one of the more ridiculous rules - pros are poeple and fans too, right?!
Isn't that what Space Command was supposed to be? Note that it hasn't gained much traction. Culturally we are having a hell of a time breaking out of this desire to fall back on pop culture from the 60s-80s before entertainment fractured out into millions of channels and the internet.
Huh. I find both of those scenarios creatively interesting. Continues' viewership already has a sizable jump start from Star Trek Continues.....
....... and if the following adventures can be made [whatever enough or something] their viewership demographic who is like me sure might find those characters having to find their way in a new and unexpected and unexplained world/scenario/whatever maximally interesting.
Continues is definitely a production I would follow there. Because I am 'invested' in the characters as presented by THESE ACTORS SPECIFICALLY and completely extraneous TO the ST characters they call themselves in ST Continues. *I* would follow them, as a fundamentally similar character and pecking order Group, to a new unexplained, fraught with challenges, unexpected circumstances, new existence... in an unexplained different galaxy, universe, time, whatever, still basically doing the same (or really similar) job somewhere else in space and/or perhaps time.
Whoa! I think I would like this!
It reminds me of that British series where the (Dr. Who timelord actor) is a detective in the here & now and is suddenly in a way different unexplained here & now... still being a detective! THAT was a show I avidly followed.
And I can envision that with the merest of tweekings to Star Trek Continues ... literally transporting them into a whole new unrelated space show, now called something related (and with the mark 'Continues' in the title) and with them struggling as a group to process their collectively experienced past with their unexplained/scary/whatever present? The Vulcan can now be a variation of the previous physicality while retaining the personality traits of who he experienced being before...
etc etc etc
Whoa!!!
Say, Continues! If you read this... give this or a version of this scenario a think-through will ya!!!
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got be honest that post was a bit of a random musing on my part, I was not expecting anyone to really like it.
There is no question that Continues has a strong cast, and fanbase, I would not have spent nearly so much time writing that post, if I was not a fan of the show, and I do believe the cast and crew could produce a web series of their own that would be good.
There are a couple of Star Trek episodes which are similar to my idea TNGs Conundrum and VGRs Workforce.
hmm... That is rather interesting isn't it. And again I'm reminded that Mr. van Citters made a specific point to say the guide line list is in no way rule or law to them or for us. But instead that making a fan film within that listed guide line is an assurance from them that a production choosing to produce within them will not ever cause any kind of alarm or issue to the proprietors of Star Trek. Mr. van Citters is even on record in that interview saying that the productions who do choose to produce within their Official Guidelines framework are going to start being allowed access to Official events & conventions to display, promote, & fund raise there for their productions. Which has never before been allowed.
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Considering he cleared the most money working for Axanar outside of Alec's "Salary", and that the majority of what you see on the screen in Prelude and the Vulcan scene is mostly a function of his FX, I'd say that's John Doe justice.
Imagine as it's been suggested, if C/P did hold a contest and the winner had their episode included with DVD sales, would they not also be considered "Pros" and no longer eligible to create ST fan films?
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