Star Trek: Renegades

[Phoenix219]

15 minute episodes, no arcs, no seasons, no home made props or uniforms or anything that isn't "official" (like STC's phasers), no Real actors (there goes all of Renegades).....

Can we remove Alex Peter's existance from the timestream? PLEASE?

 

[USS Triumphant]

Can we remove Alex Peter's existance from the timestream? PLEASE?

He's a cretin, but I don't think temporal adjustment would do anything but delay this a wee bit: It's the inevitable outcome of the way *several* "fan productions" have grown increasingly professional as we've gone along. CBS/Paramount was going to have to put a foot down eventually.

 

[Kor]

15 minute episodes, no arcs, no seasons, no home made props or uniforms or anything that isn't "official" (like STC's phasers), no Real actors (there goes all of Renegades).....

Can we remove Alex Peter's existance from the timestream? PLEASE?

If you read the rule, it doesn't seem to preclude the fan film producer making props or uniforms from scratch. S/he just can't buy any third-party knockoffs.

Kor

 

[Phoenix219]

He's a cretin, but I don't think temporal adjustment would do anything but delay this a wee bit: It's the inevitable outcome of the way *several* "fan productions" have grown increasingly professional as we've gone along. CBS/Paramount was going to have to put a foot down eventually.

Maybe, but that can never be known - no one pushed the limit as far as he did, no one snubbed their noses at C/P like he did, and Renegades was in constant communication about everything they were doing. STC has gone out of the way to get not for profit status, and NV was acclaimed enough to get Cawley on set for ST09, and used real Trek actors quite awhile ago. No one else crossed lines, pissed people off, or raised a ruckus, and fan films have been left alone for a decade. Quality wasn't the issue here; Profit was. Thats squarely on the shoulders of Axanar.

 

[Noname Given]

It was always Gene's intention with TNG to set the timeframe far enough ahead so that the focus would no longer be on the TOS crew, even if a few of them might still technically be alive due to medical advances. I think if this is the direction they wanted to go they should have set Renegades at an earlier timeframe. It strains credulity. If Starfleet wanted to keep a lot of centenarians in active service we'd have seen more of them in the official shows besides just McCoy's cameo in TNG. It's just too "convenient" in a fanservicey sort of way to have two TOS veterans still kicking around in a post-Nemesis era.

I hate to say it, but I tend to agree. pretty much everyone was set to 'retire' from Star Fleet in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (and there was dialogue in the film to that effect). To have everyone still working for/in Star Fleet at that age really strains credibility regardless. It would have been nicer (IMO) to somehow to a split story in an earlier Star Trek era and connect the two via flashbacks, time travel, et. al. - but that's me - and who knows perhaps I will say "I was wrong..." after (and if, assuming it completes production and is released to the public) I see the episode.

 

[Tosk]

If you read the rule, it doesn't seem to preclude the fan film producer making props or uniforms from scratch. S/he just can't buy any third-party knockoffs.

It also doesn't say that you will be sued if you don't follow the guidelines. It only says that they "promise" not to sue if you do stick to them. Not to be an optimist, but this might not be the death of Renegades/Continues etc just yet. Time will tell.

 

[BillJ]

It also doesn't say that you will be sued if you don't follow the guidelines. It only says that they "promise" not to sue if you do stick to them. Not to be an optimist, but this might not be the death of Renegades/Continues etc just yet. Time will tell.

I'm not sure I'd piss off CBS right now.

 

[steam235]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the timing of these guidelines might be directed towards Renegades. They were released within 24 hours of the Nichellle Nicoles pictures being published and immediately before they started principle photography.

 

[BillJ]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the timing of these guidelines might be directed towards Renegades. They were released within 24 hours of the Nichellle Nicoles pictures being published and immediately before they started principle photography.

They could've just sent a Cease and Desist.

 

[Danlav05]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the timing of these guidelines might be directed towards Renegades. They were released within 24 hours of the Nichellle Nicoles pictures being published and immediately before they started principle photography.

That's what pains me - Koenig & Nichols have played potentially their final scene together and it may never see the light of day

 

[wamdue]

That's what pains me - Koenig & Nichols have played potentially their final scene together and it may never see the light of day

despite some problems with the first film, I was looking forward to seeing those two episodes, and that pairing, its a real shame, that it is at real risk now.

 

[Tom]

A message from the Renegades team regarding the new fan film guidelines

Dear supporters,

On June 23rd CBS and Paramount issued fan film guidelines – http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

We, at Renegades, have nothing but the utmost respect for Star Trek and its IP holders, CBS and Paramount. Everything we have done has been because of Gene Roddenberry's vision and creativity. Star Trek is their property and we will absolutely abide by their rules and guidelines.

That being said, we do have an obligation to our donors and fans, and we have every intention of fulfilling it to the best of our ability. So, we will continue to make “The Requiem” as promised, but without any Star Trek elements.

As you know, we've already begun filming “The Requiem” so we cannot halt, suspend, or postpone production. Renegades, from the get go, was designed to be transformative... not derivative. Thus, with very minor changes to our script, we have eliminated all of the Star Trek references. The good news is that Renegades is now a completely original and ongoing series.

We would like to take this time to thank CBS and Paramount for letting us play in their proverbial sandbox for as long as they did. And we'd also like to thank our loyal, creative, and passionate fans for their unending support. We truly appreciate it.

-The Renegades Team

 

[Amaris]

A message from the Renegades team regarding the new fan film guidelines

Dear supporters,

On June 23rd CBS and Paramount issued fan film guidelines – http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

We, at Renegades, have nothing but the utmost respect for Star Trek and its IP holders, CBS and Paramount. Everything we have done has been because of Gene Roddenberry's vision and creativity. Star Trek is their property and we will absolutely abide by their rules and guidelines.

That being said, we do have an obligation to our donors and fans, and we have every intention of fulfilling it to the best of our ability. So, we will continue to make “The Requiem” as promised, but without any Star Trek elements.

As you know, we've already begun filming “The Requiem” so we cannot halt, suspend, or postpone production. Renegades, from the get go, was designed to be transformative... not derivative. Thus, with very minor changes to our script, we have eliminated all of the Star Trek references. The good news is that Renegades is now a completely original and ongoing series.

We would like to take this time to thank CBS and Paramount for letting us play in their proverbial sandbox for as long as they did. And we'd also like to thank our loyal, creative, and passionate fans for their unending support. We truly appreciate it.

-The Renegades Team

I think you guys will do just fine as an original series.

 

[Tom]

Thanks, A lot of work changing things the past couple days for tomorrows shoot.

 

[Phoenix219]

That still really sucks, since half the draw was going to be seeing Chekov, Uhura, Tuvok, etc, as *themselves*.... sigh....

 

[Amaris]

Thanks, A lot of work changing things the past couple days for tomorrows shoot.

I think it will work, though. I can say, for myself anyway, that I might actually enjoy it more because it isn't Star Trek. Like most people, I have preconceived notions about what to expect in Star Trek, and without meaning to do so, I often compare what I'm watching to that standard. With this, I'll have nothing to compare it against except general science fiction, and I am always hungry for some good sci-fi, so I will likely be very pleased with the end results.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think the Renegades crew and even their Icarus ship design will work perfectly outside of the Trekverse. I'm more excited for their new direction than I was as a straight-up Trekverse story.

That still really sucks, since half the draw was going to be seeing Chekov, Uhura, Tuvok, etc, as *themselves*.... sigh....

I'm really hoping we get Chernkov and Aurora. But will Walter still be allowed to use his accent? And will Tim Russ' character still have pointed ears and a logical outlook? So many questions! I'm buzzing.

 

[trynda1701]

So, change in story details but not in the planned cast, Tom?

 

[wamdue]

A message from the Renegades team regarding the new fan film guidelines

Dear supporters,

That being said, we do have an obligation to our donors and fans, and we have every intention of fulfilling it to the best of our ability. So, we will continue to make “The Requiem” as promised, but without any Star Trek elements.

-The Renegades Team

wow wow wow, that is insane, I jokingly suggested that Star Trek Continues (um) Continues by writing out the Star Trek IP, they are largely a crew of actors playing Trek roles, not Trek actors.

Renegades that is their pitch, Requiem has ex Trek cast TOS, DS9 and Voayger, to think its now going to be those actors playing sub par rip off versions of their Star Trek charcters, im not sure how happy I am about that, certainly for the TOS cat, but same for the DS9 and VGR cast as well.

This will be totally surreal.

 

[mos6507]

to think its now going to be those actors playing sub par rip off versions of their Star Trek charcters, im not sure how happy I am about that, certainly for the TOS cat, but same for the DS9 and VGR cast as well.

I don't really like the stunt casting approach in the first place, but given what it is...Nichelle Nichols had a stroke not that long ago. She and Walter are not going to live as long as their canonical in-universe counterparts. I'd hate to see them end their acting careers playing their roles under ridiculous thinly-veiled pseudonyms. It would be like Clayton Moore doing a Lone Ranger fan-film in sunglasses. The Renegades team should not jump the gun on this and first reach out to CBS for an indulgence. Besides, it's not like their finished piece is going to be limited to 30 minutes, is it? Following the guidelines is going to sabotage their own work.

If I were in their shoes I would just shoot it the way they planned it and shelve the final cut in the hopes that CBS would give them a pass later.