[Question] Why do people hate VOY so much?

[stardream]

I always hear about the fuss over DS9, that people who were dismissive of it, and for years, are coming around, now, and declaring it as la Crème de la Crème. I'm sure that VOY will be even better regarded in the years, ahead. Even the movies Nemesis, and The Final Frontier have become much more appreciated, over the fullness of time. STAR TREK is like that, you know ... it has to age, like wine, before audiences finally come around and appreciate it for what it offers up, or what it wanted to be.

I'm already seeing this happen with Voyager It's mostly by people who gave up watching the show in the early seasons who finally went back and watched the episodes with Seven of Nine. Also by NOT watching it in tandem with the better-written DS9 helps a lot. That happened to me. I was completely neutral about the show until I watched it again about a year ago and now it and DS9 are neck and neck for my two favorite shows in the franchise.

As far as the crew is concerned I would MUCH rather hang out with the crew of Voyager than with any of the others. I like the other crews...but if it were possible to visit a fictional world that's where I would be.

 

[Anwar]

Voyager had promise and if they had stuck with the original concept it could have been great.

And run out of steam after 1 season, because that's all the "Lost Ship" plot is good for.

The Equinox showed what Voyager should have been after one season

Dead?

But back to Voyager, I do always have a question about pilot episode though, did Janeway break the PD by destroying the array?

The Array wasn't a viable option to go home anyways, even when it was 100% functional its method of teleporting ships damaged Voyager and killed people. Using it to go back would kill people too, and since it was already damaged odds are it would be even more dangerous to use it.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm already seeing this happen with Voyager It's mostly by people who gave up watching the show in the early seasons who finally went back and watched the episodes with Seven of Nine. Also by NOT watching it in tandem with the better-written DS9 helps a lot. That happened to me. I was completely neutral about the show until I watched it again about a year ago and now it and DS9 are neck and neck for my two favorite shows in the franchise.

As far as the crew is concerned I would MUCH rather hang out with the crew of Voyager than with any of the others. I like the other crews...but if it were possible to visit a fictional world that's where I would be.

That might be so, and I might have to revisit it. That said, I would much rather hang out with the TOS or DS9 crew, so my view might be skewed

 

[apollo1984]

And run out of steam after 1 season, because that's all the "Lost Ship" plot is good for.



Dead?



The Array wasn't a viable option to go home anyways, even when it was 100% functional its method of teleporting ships damaged Voyager and killed people. Using it to go back would kill people too, and since it was already damaged odds are it would be even more dangerous to use it.

Didn't Janeway ask Tuvok though whether he could get the array working? Tuvok said he could with a few hours indicating that she at least thought about it but changed her plan when the Kazon showed up?

 

[MacLeod]

Didn't Janeway ask Tuvok though whether he could get the array working? Tuvok said he could with a few hours indicating that she at least thought about it but changed her plan when the Kazon showed up?

Yes but this where you apply a tactic known as deception.


We'll let you have the array just allow us to use it return it home otherwise I'll destroy it.

Then a second before the array is activated you beam over a few photons on a few seconds delay to blow it up. Both problems solved.

 

[stardream]

I think the episode 'Night' was meant to address this. Janeway spent years thinking about what she could have done and was plagued by guilt about it. It wasn't like she said 'fire' and went on her merry way never thinking about it again. She was faced with a similar choice and was prepared to sacrifice herself...probably as some sort of personal atonement.

That might be so, and I might have to revisit it. That said, I would much rather hang out with the TOS or DS9 crew, so my view might be skewed

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure I'd have a great time with any of the crews. Just if given a choice I'd go with Voyager.

 

[Anwar]

Didn't Janeway ask Tuvok though whether he could get the array working? Tuvok said he could with a few hours indicating that she at least thought about it but changed her plan when the Kazon showed up?

She thought about it, but it was still going to kill people if it was used.

Yes but this where you apply a tactic known as deception.


We'll let you have the array just allow us to use it return it home otherwise I'll destroy it.

Then a second before the array is activated you beam over a few photons on a few seconds delay to blow it up. Both problems solved.

The Kazon had already labeled them as enemies by that point and knew what they could do with replicators. If they did that then they'd think "Fine, we'll just take your ship and kill you all!"

 

[MacLeod]

She thought about it, but it was still going to kill people if it was used.

As opposed to a seventy year journey, during which some would likely die.

So you either risk using it and get home with the possibilite of few more casualties. Or you don't use it and take a seventy year trip home with the possibility of a few more casualties.

One of VOY's biggest failings was that they never really sold the fact that there was a very good chance that these people would never see home agai.

 

[Anwar]

As opposed to a seventy year journey, during which some would likely die.

So you either risk using it and get home with the possibilite of few more casualties. Or you don't use it and take a seventy year trip home with the possibility of a few more casualties.

One of VOY's biggest failings was that they never really sold the fact that there was a very good chance that these people would never see home agai.

Kind of hard to sell that when TOS and TNG both repeatedly showed that this sort of thing wasn't a major problem.

Heck, easy way out they never bothered trying: After the Ferengi episode where the Wormhole collapsed, they just use the "Fly around the Sun to go back in time" trick to go back a week and use the Wormhole then before their past selves arrive.

The "Lost Starship" thing was such an easily solvable plot due to how it was always easily undone in TOS and TNG that you can't get much out of it in the first place.