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WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread

It's so weird that Superman can be a public servant who constantly is shown helping humanity and even dies for humanity in BvS, and yet Batman is all people can talk about and even praise about the movie. An over the top, extreme measures, paranoid Batman who kills people and uses excessive force on the regular. Even in BvS there are a fair number of people who hate Superman's guts and blame him for everything that goes wrong. 'Those people in Africa were killed by gunfire, it must have been Superman who did it!' Supes can't win for losing, I suppose.
 
^ Amazing what a bit of coherent motivation and specific in-story goals do for winning over an audience, eh? Viewers like doers. :p

Devin Faraci saw and quotes a scene between Bruce and Barry Allen that sounds a heck of a lot like the Tony/Peter Civil War recruitment scene, in both purpose and tone. Well, at least they're perhaps learning from the right sources this time...
 
It does seem they are taking the audience reaction on board. From the Empire article:
8. Has this tone been influenced by audience reaction to Batman v Superman?

To some extent, say the crew. Despite that film grossing a very healthy $872m on a $250m budget, vocal negative response from audiences and critics rocked DC’s boat. "I was like 'Wow, oof.' It did catch me off guard," says Zack Snyder.
 
Devin Faraci saw and quotes a scene between Bruce and Barry Allen that sounds a heck of a lot like the Tony/Peter Civil War recruitment scene, in both purpose and tone. Well, at least they're perhaps learning from the right sources this time...



Tony Stark....er...Bruce Wayne is even rumored to design Flashes new suit. Just waiting for a scene like this

The Flash: Sup... Superman? Big fan. The Flash

Bruce: Yeah, we'll talk about it later. Just...
 
I've been watching a bunch of youtube video reports on the recent set visit (no pics, on pain of being murdered by Batfleck). The general reaction is positive (and also surprise at being so positive). The opinion seems to be that Flash's wise-aleck persona is the key catalyst in this.

Snyder says that Warner put zero pressure on him regarding the reaction to BvS. I don't believe that. Does anyone? Does Snyder?

I will say that Snyder has talent and that rare thing, an individual style*, and seems to be quite a light-hearted guy in person, but his films tend to be DOOM DOOM BOMBAST DOOM. It seems to be his default position -- but when the actual script contains lighter moments he does bring them off well, and the resulting films tend to be more balanced (mostly his early stuff).

So he really needs a script writer with some backbone who will say "Now we will have a comedy scene". Flash seems to serve that purpose here, and to give Snyder some credit, I think it was probably always conceived this way, give how long JL has been in the works.



*Regard that "individual style" thing, there has been fear expressed that DC Warner will now go the Marvel route and produce a generically likeable product. Remember how Edgar Wright had to leave Ant-man due to "differences"? There's a guy who, when you see his films, you can tell who the hell made them. I think DC's choice of future directors shows they are still looking for people who can make individual statements, not toe the company line. So maybe Snyder is right when he talks about Warner being a director-led studio.
 
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One can hope--I prefer the idea of "looser reigns" than "everyone has to follow the formula". The latter can still produce good movies (a well executed recipe is better than a poorly executed one) but the former allows for more opportunities to surprise and challenge the viewers, albeit at a higher risk of disappointment to those whose comfort zones prefer the formulaic approach.
 
Remember how Edgar Wright had to leave Ant-man due to "differences"? There's a guy who, when you see his films, you can tell who the hell made them.

Yes, I know -- I spent yesterday afternoon and evening binge-watching the entire Cornetto Trilogy, since I happened to come across all three DVDs in the library at the same time and I'd been wanting to compare them as a set at some point. So I'm certainly aware of Wright's trademarks. But here's the thing -- a lot of those trademarks (like the quick cutting) are still present in Ant-Man even though he left. So his influence is still recognizable in the final film. It's hardly generic.
 
More thoughts in relation to the Empire article...
They've being cagey but it looks like Lex will be back. I think they could redeem this version of the character by having him come to resent being Darkseid's butt-monkey. I can imagine him channelling Gene Hackman and saying "God damn it, I'm an evil genius. It should be me inspiring fear in the human race, not these ridiculous monstrosities."
 
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They could use Lex to go the new 52 route and have him build an armored suit (presumably using the existing kryptonian armor suits) and becoming the new Superman until Kal-El shows up.
 
*Regard that "individual style" thing, there has been fear expressed that DC Warner will now go the Marvel route and produce a generically likeable product. Remember how Edgar Wright had to leave Ant-man due to "differences"? There's a guy who, when you see his films, you can tell who the hell made them. I think DC's choice of future directors shows they are still looking for people who can make individual statements, not toe the company line. So maybe Snyder is right when he talks about Warner being a director-led studio.

One can hope--I prefer the idea of "looser reigns" than "everyone has to follow the formula". The latter can still produce good movies (a well executed recipe is better than a poorly executed one) but the former allows for more opportunities to surprise and challenge the viewers, albeit at a higher risk of disappointment to those whose comfort zones prefer the formulaic approach.
They pretty much said all of this outright in an interview I read before BvS came. I think it's pretty clear from the Suicide Squad trailers that they are allowing the movies to have their own individual styles and tones.
Tor.com has a nice summary of all of information revealed in the different articles about JL's big media set visit.
 
Actual color!

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Looks good. Flash seems to have a little bit of Fox Quicksilver in him but that's not a bad thing. I don't think traditionally Batman assembles the League but seems to make sense. And we get a bit of an obligatory Aquaman joke with our Icky Thump.
 
Certainly looks more fun than the previous two DC films. Flash seems to be the most excited and happy by it all.
 
Well that small trailer has more humor than either MoS or BvS combined. Felt a little more Marvel. Certainly a lot less dour.
Is it really apt to compare other CBM with humor to Marvel? X-Men Apocalypse had a lot of humor and people called it a knock-off MCU film. TASM 2 had zingers, one-liners, and comedic scenes (just like Age of Ultron) and yet no one referenced TASM 2 humor as a benefit towards the films. Now the DC films are adding more jokes to their movies and the comparison to Marvel arises again. Even though when other studios do it (Sony and Fox) it's never been a positive.
 
The flash costume has a lot of little wires on it - to help him do stuff with the Speed Force?
 
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